Compete?

[Jinksy]

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IMP teams

[wank]

not even close

[Kaitlyn S]

I can't read the alert on 2H. If it shows 5-5 in the reds, a good case can be made the total tricks will outnumber the total trumps, maybe by 2 or more. However, I'm not sure I want them to compete to 4H which they might make. (give parther KQxxx of spades and out, we get 2 black tricks and a heart.)

[rmnka447]

Pass.

 

As Kaitlyn says, 3 ♠ might push them to 4 ♥ and with LHO having a big red hand, you look like maybe 2 tricks at most on defense. Not revealing the ♠ fit here makes the situation much more ambiguious and more difficult for them to bid game.

[neilkaz]

Do I want to be X'd in 3♠, I doubt it. Do I want then to bid 4♥ when I find out one of them has a black suit stiff and they make it? I don't think so. Of course they may bid 4♥ anyhow, but why reveal any info as I certainly don't fancy 4♠X.

 

I'll pass.

[Tramticket]

Presumably partner had various ways of showing spades (Lebensohl?) and this is the weakest? At these colour, I would not expect my partner's bid to promise very much - a five-card spade suit and little else would be my expectation!

 

This is an easy pass.

[Jinksy]

Yeah, just sanity checking this one. Our team mates complained at us for 'losing the part score battle' when 3♥ and 3♠ both made.

[wank]

what did p have?

[ggwhiz]

Not perfect by any means but the compete or not decision belongs to pass out seat period.

[Jinksy]

what did p have?

 

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Don't know what the auction was at the other table.

[wank]

p can double 3h.

[Jinksy]

So 3/3 decisions are something I don't think I get right as often as I should. Can you explain why you'd push on this one? The AK of spades look almost as good defensively as offensively, the JD is even better in defence than offence, and P probably doesn't have 4 spades or might have competed himself. Meanwhile the odds must be against him having 5 clubs(!), so you're unlikely to be competing on better than an 8-card fit.

[wank]

So 3/3 decisions are something I don't think I get right as often as I should. Can you explain why you'd push on this one? The AK of spades look almost as good defensively as offensively, the JD is even better in defence than offence, and P probably doesn't have 4 spades or might have competed himself. Meanwhile the odds must be against him having 5 clubs(!), so you're unlikely to be competing on better than an 8-card fit.

 

you're right that if you end up in 4m it'll normally be an 8 card fit and you'll normally go down, but it's unlikely to be a crisis. your upside is you collect a penalty (if p has a doubleton spade your spades are great on defence) or you play 3S. playing 3S is always going to be worth it. if p has 3 spades, one 3M is going to make, and often 2.

 

when you have a singleton heart, the opps are normally in a 9 card fit. you want to bid to disturb that at the 3 level if you have a suitable shape. the rest takes care of itself.

 

this is one of those occasions where 3NT should be a minor scramble which means you can't end up in the wrong minor - after bidding a weak 2S you can't have the values for game.

[MrAce]

Bro this hand has a perfect double fit for both sides. Even then a small change in hands makes 2/2 bid a loser.

This is one of those hands that your teammates shoud not have made a huge fuss about it, imho.