What does this auction show ?

[Cyberyeti]

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Describe what you expect from the E hand, EW would not play 2N as artificial from W when he bid 3♣

[eagles123]

a huge hand with spades

[Cyberyeti]

a huge hand with spades

 

How huge, and what do you do as W with:

 

x, K97x, xxx, K9xxx

[MrAce]

To be honest, this is a very ridiculous auction and I do not know why are you asking us to make a sense out of this nonsense?

 

West's actions does not make any sense whatsoever. Did he think if he bid 2♣ over redouble that will show strength? What made him bid a free 3♣ over 2♥ now that he could not do over redouble?

If E has a monster balanced hand, why is he still keep bidding on when it is obvious that partner is broke?

If East has a big hand with spades, why did he not start 2♠ over 1 ♠ ?

[MrAce]

How huge, and what do you do as W with:

 

x, K97x, xxx, K9xxx

 

W can not have this hand.

I am looking at the forum and still see it is in I/A and not B/N forums.

[Cyberyeti]

I posted this here for the reason that this is the poll for a directorial. I was S. Opps were around the boundary between the two forums.

[MrAce]

I posted this here for the reason that this is the poll for a directorial. I was S. Opps were around the boundary between the two forums.

 

I did not see any poll.

You asked us what E is likely to hold.

If your intention was to figure what W would do without UI with the hand you gave for W, at his level I would think my pd doubled so he has opening values, he did not like my clubs and wants to play spades, since one of the opponents opened and other one redoubled they must have at least 20 hcp which makes my pd hold about 14-15 hcp, so I would pass I guess.

 

Editted AI to UI.

[alok c]

Actually the auction makes little sense,as Mr Ace says.Is the system 2/1 with 5c major? Is weaker than pass is below opening hand?If so then East may be 17ish with ♠ suit & some♦.Now whatever West bid (3nt?) is a gamble.Pass.

[Cyberyeti]

Actually the auction makes little sense,as Mr Ace says.Is the system 2/1 with 5c major? Is weaker than pass is below opening hand?If so then East may be 17ish with ♠ suit & some♦.Now whatever West bid (3nt?) is a gamble.Pass.

 

System is Acol 4M.

 

There was lots of UI as to what the hand actually was, hesitations and questions, so I was trying to find out what people thought it showed without them.

 

Any bid now is dialling a number, with the UI pass was very obvious.

 

Another possible interpretation is that partner has doubled hearts for T/O and spades for T/O, so is looking for 3N with a big 4144/4135/4153 with 3♠, do I have a heart stop ? This would make sense for example if my partner had psyched (more likely if he'd been in third seat).

[eagles123]

what was the East hand lol

[eagles123]

what was the East hand lol

[Cyberyeti]

what was the East hand lol

 

A 1♠ overcall for anybody with a brain unless playing IJOs which they weren't, 3♠ was -2 with anything higher being doubled.

[ggwhiz]

what do you do as W with:

 

x, K97x, xxx, K9xxx

 

The first thing I do is a massive facepalm for not having bid 2♣ over the redouble.

 

Then I'll bid 3nt and grab a handful of pass cards.

[Cyberyeti]

The first thing I do is a massive facepalm for not having bid 2♣ over the redouble.

 

Then I'll bid 3nt and grab a handful of pass cards.

 

I thought this was in the frame, in which case you hear p-p-x-p-p-4♠-X-p-p-p 300-500 depending on how you play it

[eagles123]

I get the feeling that this is just classic B/I bad bidding

 

if E did have an IJO in spades, then no doubt the thought process was along the lines of, "I have too much to overcall 1S so I'll double... ah ***** THEY bid 1s panic panic guess I'll double again...well maybe I should show my spades now 3S

 

in my experience this standard of player will double then bid rather than overcall on hands which are way too weak - in the same way that they'll often open 2c on unsuitable hands as well.

[Cyberyeti]

I get the feeling that this is just classic B/I bad bidding

 

if E did have an IJO in spades, then no doubt the thought process was along the lines of, "I have too much to overcall 1S so I'll double... ah ***** THEY bid 1s panic panic guess I'll double again...well maybe I should show my spades now 3S

 

in my experience this standard of player will double then bid rather than overcall on hands which are way too weak - in the same way that they'll often open 2c on unsuitable hands as well.

 

Yeah but the mass of hesitations and asking whether 1♠ was natural (who doesn't play it natural here ?) made clear that partner was going to take the bid as spades.

[wank]

To be honest, this is a very ridiculous auction and I do not know why are you asking us to make a sense out of this nonsense?

 

West's actions does not make any sense whatsoever. Did he think if he bid 2♣ over redouble that will show strength? What made him bid a free 3♣ over 2♥ now that he could not do over redouble?

If E has a monster balanced hand, why is he still keep bidding on when it is obvious that partner is broke?

If East has a big hand with spades, why did he not start 2♠ over 1 ♠ ?

 

the auction's not ridiculous in itself. passing the redouble then making a free bid show an invitational hand, i.e. one too strong to bid x clubs originally (2 not showing values and 3 being a pre-empt). people occasionally psyche the redouble - i did it a couple of weeks ago.

[SteveMoe]

Assuming there are no bidding errors (I know, I know):

1♠ could very well be 4=4 majors and 2♥ is a simple 3-card limit raise.

The first Double is takeout, the second is penalty.

Suspect intervenor to have 5=1=(43) or similar with 2 cards better than opening bid.

3♣ might be the old treatment that one passes first with strength and bids later.

3♠ says good suit and possibly exposing a psyche by opener.

 

Cannot see a hand with enough ♣ to bid at 3-level that woudl ever pass the XX. Indeed with inv+ values and ♣ in 4th seat, perhaps a 2♥ cuebid can alert partner to the hoax XX.

[Cyberyeti]

Assuming there are no bidding errors (I know, I know):

1♠ could very well be 4=4 majors and 2♥ is a simple 3-card limit raise.

 

Nope, weak no trump and no 4441s opened 1♥

 

The first Double is takeout, the second is penalty.

 

Do you know this immediately ? or only after the 3♠ bid am I not allowed to double again with a 31(45)/3055/40(45)/4144 big hand

[jogs]

1♠ weaker than pass. What does that mean?

I think 1♠ should show shape, meaning 4 spades and 5+ hearts. Promises no extras HCP. But also does not deny extra HCP.

[sfi]

1♠ weaker than pass. What does that mean?

I think 1♠ should show shape, meaning 4 spades and 5+ hearts. Promises no extras HCP. But also does not deny extra HCP.

 

It means that it shows a minimum hand with 4+ spades and 5+ hearts. A better hand with the same shape but extras would pass first and then bid spades later if doubling them for penalty does not seem to be appropriate.

 

I can't speak for this partnership, but I would expect opener to be showing a hand that cannot force to game opposite a minimum redouble.

[msjennifer]

I, personally,cannot imagine anyone bidding 1♠ after the bidding which preceded.It must be a psychic bid.With a 4-5 weak hand anyone will pass or bid 2H but not 1S.In view of the circumstances described 3S has to be a natural bid.His partner is free to pass this bid.With a game forcing hand the bid would have been 2H over 1S and later followed by 3S.

[SteveMoe]

Do you know this immediately ? or only after the 3♠ bid am I not allowed to double again with a 31(45)/3055/40(45)/4144 big hand

While 3=1=(45) is possible, double of a second suit is penalty oriented (optional or not). Would expect the second double with 3=1=(45) must be on better strength than a mere opening hand. It is not an attempt to get to a minor suit because a pass would communicate that hand. So, yes, penalty.

[GrahamJson]

It's impossible to answer these questions without knowing more about the players. The redouble should show 9 or 10 plus, balanced, but I have seen many players on BBO redouble just to show that they hold a few hearts. The 1S rebid should show a distributional hand, but could be someone having a bit of a joke. The second double and the 3S bid must both show spades, but some players are obsessed with negative doubles and fancy cue bids, usually looking for 3NT. The 3C bid should show values, as with clubs and a poor hand you would bid 2C earlier.

 

Anyway, if you are west you should trust partber's bidding, not oppo's. Partner must be showing a great suit, but maybe not a long one. Perhaps AKJ10x x AKx QJx.