No lower kings or No higher kings?

[lycier]

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This hand is from 8-board MP Arena Challenges.

5nt says " Queen. No lower kings...".

When ♣ is trump, ♣ itself is a lowest suit, so for 5nt definition, it would better say " No higher kings...", is it right?

[helene_t]

I think "lower king" should read "king that could be shown below this bid", i.e. 5♥/5♠ is lower than 5NT.

 

If that is really what it means I don't know since GIB will also sometimes explain for example 6♣ (as answer to 5nt with clubs as trump) as "no king below clubs" which is a bit silly.

[Kungsgeten]

Can not show kings with a lower bid than 5NT. So no heart king (would bid 5H, a lower bid) and no spade king (would bid 5S, a lower bid). Could have the king of diamonds.

[lycier]

I think "lower king" should read "king that could be shown below this bid", i.e. 5♥/5♠ is lower than 5NT.

 

If that is really what it means I don't know since GIB will also sometimes explain for example 6♣ (as answer to 5nt with clubs as trump) as "no king below clubs" which is a bit silly.

 

See 6♥ in this hand.

 

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After 5nt, 6♥ says " no king (below ♥)..."

[smerriman]

After 5nt, 6♥ says " no king (below ♥)..."

 

What is your question? You should bid 6♣ there, not 6♥, showing your cheapest possible king. 6♦ would deny a club king, and 6♥ denies club and diamond kings - ie, exactly what the definition shows.

 

In the original hand, 5nt bypassed the lower 5♥ and 5♠ king bids, denying those kings again as per description.

 

When clubs are trumps, a 6♣ response to 5nt is a bit silly as Helene said, but is consistent with all other trump bids so seems a waste of time changing the definition.

[Lovera]

It is more interesting transfert in heart suit with superaccept if GIB does : 2♦ - 2♠, 4NT- ..(idem) but now N sees 12 tricks !