Polly Posted July 16, 2003 Report Share Posted July 16, 2003 I would be great if new members could not join unless they filled out info about their play style and I hate "private" as an available play level. I don't want to play with experts or beginners - nice to know ahead of time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted July 16, 2003 Report Share Posted July 16, 2003 Hi Polly, I don't mind so much the lack of a skill level. Let me be the first to assure you that more than half the players listed as "expert" on their self-selected profile are, in fact, not experts. Novice, beginner are usually right. What I do object to is the total lack of information about bidding/carding. How hard is it to type SAYC, BBO A or BBOB, precision, KS, WJ2000, moscito, something..... Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted July 16, 2003 Report Share Posted July 16, 2003 What I can't understand is how can players sit down to play without even botheing to agree a system with his pd....I've been told to play "normal""standard""natural""bridge""whatever""doesn't matter""?""no english""hi pd" And I don't have a CC for any of those systems.I agree with Inquiry, please put what systems you can play in your profile so at least players can agree to play a system you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erkson Posted July 17, 2003 Report Share Posted July 17, 2003 Hi, inquiry, and thank you for the Match show and all interesting comments that it brings about. you wrote :I don't mind so much the lack of a skill level. I do a lot. Let me be the first to assure you that more than half the players listed as "expert" on their self-selected profile are, in fact, not experts.I can't confirm the proportion, but, at least, it may be true about some of them, and it is a pity because the BOL criteria are clear. Novice, beginner are usually right. You will be rewarded for that magnanimity. If (s)he is a true beginner I will consider if I want to play with him/her.But if (s)he is in fact a better player, may I say that I dislike that kind of humility ? Erkson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 Novice, beginner are usually right. You will be rewarded for that magnanimity. If (s)he is a true beginner I will consider if I want to play with him/her.But if (s)he is in fact a better player, may I say that I dislike that kind of humility ? Erkson The novice and the beginner know that they are novice or beginners. That part seems clear to me. It is true there is one gold star player who list himself as a beginner, but I think this is an abboration. Few good players list themselves as beginners. On the otherhand, there are people who never once played in a tournment or read a book who "always win" when they play with their group in their little small towns. They truely think themselves experts, everyone they know tells them so. Sure they never heard of a jacoby and wouldn't have a chance of reconizing the simpliest of simple squeezes, and they have never counted out a hand other than for trumps. But they truely consider themselves experts. A few weeks on the BBO should resolve these delusions, but of course it doesn't.... the reason they lose here JUST HAS TO BE the oponents cheat or the partners they get are so bad what chance did they have? :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhutobello Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 yes, Yes, YES, nice put, and I belive evrey word of it! ;D ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 Novice, beginner are usually right. You will be rewarded for that magnanimity. If (s)he is a true beginner I will consider if I want to play with him/her.But if (s)he is in fact a better player, may I say that I dislike that kind of humility ? Erkson The novice and the beginner know that they are novice or beginners. That part seems clear to me. It is true there is one gold star player who list himself as a beginner, but I think this is an abboration. Few good players list themselves as beginners. On the otherhand, there are people who never once played in a tournment or read a book who "always win" when they play with their group in their little small towns. They truely think themselves experts, everyone they know tells them so. Sure they never heard of a jacoby and wouldn't have a chance of reconizing the simpliest of simple squeezes, and they have never counted out a hand other than for trumps. But they truely consider themselves experts. A few weeks on the BBO should resolve these delusions, but of course it doesn't.... the reason they lose here JUST HAS TO BE the oponents cheat or the partners they get are so bad what chance did they have? :D I can forgive people thinking they are experts because they always win against the select group of people they have always played against. But there is really no excuse for them marking themselves as "Expert" on BBO, since it is clearly stated that an "Expert" is someone who has done well in regional/national competition. Whether or not I play at an expert level, I wouldn't put myself down as an expert because I have never entered any regional/national tournaments. But since I do consistently well at my local level I put myself down as "Advanced". How hard can it be for people to pick their correct level from the BBO options?! Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallway Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 "How hard can it be for people to pick their correct level from the options" Well, Eric , at my end of the scale it is a tad difficult. If I say Novice I will have Erkson accusing me of undo humility.If I say Beginner (BBO definition someone who has been playing less than 1 year ) - then I would be lying, it's nearer two !If I say Intermediate - that is an exaggeration Until Uday has the time/inclination/Fred's permission- to do away with private and use the field to call it Junior or whatever I have no other option but to use Intermediate. As a workaround I use the now defunct 'Email' field (we now have 'leave a message' on BBO and BBF's Instant Messages with which to make personal contact with fellow users) to qualify my choice of Intermediate and warn would be partners . The other problem is the simple fact that the majority (I'll go so far as to say the VAST majority) of people simply DO NOT read the Rules. So they will remain in blissful ignorance of Fred's definitions for BBO Skill Levels and will, as Ben says, if they are thought of as an expert at 'home' they will choose Expert from the drop down menu. Ben, you will be pleased to know that in my little corner of the world thanks to Fred's Learn to Play Bridge 1 and 2, Fred's Bridgemaster, BBO , Wayne and your good self and friends on BBF the 'experts' you speak of are being shaken out of their comfort zone. Each week now one or other of our newcomers group grab a handful of their C points (ours is an AllGrades Club) much to their chargin. We have now reached a stage where they are wont to ask "WHO keeps telling you these things? " We name drop ofcourse ::D They have even suggested that the computer be checked just in case it was inverting the results ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhutobello Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 How hard can it be for people to pick their correct level from the BBO options?! I think that will be very hard, and indeed I think you will gain more fighting windmills, then exsact description of levels on BBO ;D We people are diffrent, and good is that, but some of us have got a bigger ego then other, and they belive their title. Another thing I have noticed are that many "boards owner" just want expert to attend. This will from another group of people be enough to put exspert on their label, because they hate to be left out of anything. As for reading, understanding, and living by the rules, sorry to say, but you will only find a minority of people living up to that, both on BBO and in life as general;D So give those expert you don't recon a smile, and mark your own comment in their profile:) Big smile from an intem.... 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted July 19, 2003 Report Share Posted July 19, 2003 Ben, you will be pleased to know that in my little corner of the world thanks to Fred's Learn to Play Bridge 1 and 2, Fred's Bridgemaster, BBO , Wayne and your good self and friends on BBF the 'experts' you speak of are being shaken out of their comfort zone. Lol, Maureen, your way with a story reminds me of my sister who has a similar flair. I still remember your story about couting their hand on defense... :-) There is no better teaching tool available than Fred's Bridgemaster and a good computer resources. Local experts will not be experts at all as people who are interesting in learning find on line sources like BBO. It will not be long and you and your newcomer friends will no doubt lord over these other guys at the table.... and if they want to keep up with you, they might need to visit some of your favorite places on the bridge internet... :-) Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laird Posted July 19, 2003 Report Share Posted July 19, 2003 Hello Everyone Many people I'm sure will join BBO full of great expectations ( BIg Fish Small Pond) but what has to be kept in mind is that you are in a very privilaged position of being able to play against some of the " best players in the world ". Playing on BBO for me has been a humbling experience but so rewarding.... You can go into the forum and get real expert advice on any aspect of the game.Many have seen it, done it and have the track history to prove it. What a privilage it is to watch these real experts in action.... they not only 'talk the talk'!Maybe a little humility is needed by more of us before we start to proclaim ourselves as advanced or expert and allow those who have gained that status by merit to be so recognised. However.... a more pressing problem! Can anyone tell me what happened to Fred's learn bridge 1 and defence 2... I had downloaded them both but lost them when I changed computer... I'll be playing with Maureen soon and you know how she likes to count the cards and expects properly agreed signals. :D Kind regardsJohn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhutobello Posted July 19, 2003 Report Share Posted July 19, 2003 Hey John, I post the link here instead of PM, because someone else also may want it ;D http://www.acbl.org/internet/websiteForms..../LTPB2?OpenPage good luck on your game with Maureen ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laird Posted July 19, 2003 Report Share Posted July 19, 2003 Thanks Edvin :D Got them both... had to type in the address couldnt just klick the link you gave. Feel happier now that I have my comfort software... John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erkson Posted July 19, 2003 Report Share Posted July 19, 2003 Hi, Hallway.You wrote :If I say Novice I will have Erkson accusing me of undo humility. No risk, from Intermediate down to Novice :D Erskon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted July 19, 2003 Report Share Posted July 19, 2003 Novice, beginner are usually right. You will be rewarded for that magnanimity. If (s)he is a true beginner I will consider if I want to play with him/her.But if (s)he is in fact a better player, may I say that I dislike that kind of humility ? Erkson The novice and the beginner know that they are novice or beginners. That part seems clear to me. It is true there is one gold star player who list himself as a beginner, but I think this is an abboration. Few good players list themselves as beginners. On the otherhand, there are people who never once played in a tournment or read a book who "always win" when they play with their group in their little small towns. They truely think themselves experts, everyone they know tells them so. Sure they never heard of a jacoby and wouldn't have a chance of reconizing the simpliest of simple squeezes, and they have never counted out a hand other than for trumps. But they truely consider themselves experts. A few weeks on the BBO should resolve these delusions, but of course it doesn't.... the reason they lose here JUST HAS TO BE the oponents cheat or the partners they get are so bad what chance did they have? :D Unlike you, Ben, I am nobody on BBO, so when I first labelled myself as intermediate, which i think is very appropriate, nobody is willing to play with me. At the same time, I notice many adv or expert play not so good as I expect. I finally change to adv, now most of players will accept me, at least try a few hands to see if i am fake or not ;D Guess quite some players are like me, being forced to flate skill level, though I clearly know I am not an adv player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted July 19, 2003 Report Share Posted July 19, 2003 Unlike you, Ben, I am nobody on BBO, so when I first labelled myself as intermediate, which i think is very appropriate, hehehe, surely my only notority on the BBO is that for the longest time, I was the poster with the most post here. Perhaps because of that, a few good players have agreed to play with me now and then, so I end up with a fair number of kibitizers (due to my partners). As for ablilty, I have always posted my abililty, as per Fred's guidelines, as advanced. Perhaps this is too high, for when I played with one of the worlds best players in the naturalist versus scientist match and got completely drilled, so maybe I should back off to intermediate.... :D ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cave_Draco Posted July 20, 2003 Report Share Posted July 20, 2003 As per Fred's guidelines... :-D. If I wished to play bridge "seriously"? I wouldn't do it online! My self-rating as Advanced/Experienced is accurate enough but... there should be a sliding scale, my bridge ability varies inversely with my ichor/blood alcohol level. Experienced means that my autopilot is normally ok.Advanced means that I am capable of esoteric plays. Perhaps there should be a consistency rating? Dragon is highly variable, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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