prioritize NT with all stops and only 4 cd M

[Stephen Tu]

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Maybe I am only supposed to bid 3♥ here, but with both black suits well stopped and 4 cd heart only I think North is supposed to bid 3nt (or maybe only 2nt) ahead of 3♣. I'd always have 5 hearts for 3♣ myself.

[jdonn]

Agree seems like 2NT or 3NT whatever it is worth to you.

[lycier]

I think your argument above are specious, your expert's opinions really made me surprised .

 

1- Of course, Stephen Tu should bid 3♥ to show 3-card sopport, and Stephen Tu should also know 3♥ has same definition with 4♥. Here, why would you bid 3♥ instead of 4♥? Maybe you have some reasons, however I have to tell you smart Gib has a good way to handle with such hand so well.

Now see my basic Gib how to play.

 

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Good job !!! my basic Gib !

 

2- Here, I think the main cause of the problem is Gib CC.

After rebid-2♦, north has no way to show 4-4 majors since 2♠ says " Responder reverse --- 5+♥,biddable ♠,13+TPs, forcing to 3N". So this is a issue about Gib bidding system instead of programming. And it really has no anything to do with bidding 2NT or 3NT in fact.

 

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[nige1]

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Agree with Stephen Tu and JDonn. I rank

1. 3N = NAT. Not all layouts are as unfriendly as this.

2. 2N = NAT. Might work better here. John Matheson plays 1Banana-1Rasberry-2Bananas-2N as F1.

2. 3♣ = NAT. Should promise 5+ ♥s, IMO. (But not necessarily 4+ ♣s).

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[cloa513]

I think your argument above are specious, your expert's opinions really made me surprised .

 

1- Of course, Stephen Tu should bid 3♥ to show 3-card sopport, and Stephen Tu should also know 3♥ has same definition with 4♥. Here, why would you bid 3♥ instead of 4♥? Maybe you have some reasons, however I have to tell you smart Gib has a good way to handle with such hand so well.

Now see my basic Gib how to play.

 

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Good job !!! my basic Gib !

 

2- Here, I think the main cause of the problem is Gib CC.

After rebid-2♦, north has no way to show 4-4 majors since 2♠ says " Responder reverse --- 5+♥,biddable ♠,13+TPs, forcing to 3N". So this is a issue about Gib bidding system instead of programming. And it really has no anything to do with bidding 2NT or 3NT in fact.

 

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Lycier should not have bid 2S. 3NT is obvious.

 

With hand one, the GIB manages to misposition the 3NT bid which with only makes with GIB's bad hand play- no sense in switching to diamonds (or hearts or spades) after the club lead with single dummy view and bidding consideration South has long diamonds.

[lycier]

Yes, you are right.

However see the definition on 3nt.

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