Vampyr Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 How do you and partner agree on system/conventions? We discuss them over a glass of wine. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 How do you and partner agree on system/conventions?She doesn't play on BBO (unless she uses a different username). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 We discuss them over a glass of wine.Or three. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 However, it would be difficult to censor racist language by an algorithm. BBO's bad word list is mostly just some of the most extreme epithets that just about everyone would agree are inappropriate (e.g. many variations on the F-word), although they're all English. Plus a few common insults that have become too common towards random partners (although "idjit" seems to be missing). We can easily add new words if they become common enough to be a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmuncie Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 Excuse me, but it is everyone's business. In my experience, people who use profane language in talking to their 'friends', also use profane language in talking to other people at large. Indeed, someone used a very abusive word in a private chat message to me, the other day (posted about elsewhere - and reported to the abuse@bridgebase hotline). Was this individual one of your so-called 'friends', I wonder? I didn't even know there was a swear filter in the chatline, but if so, it's there for a reason. It stays. End of. Anyway, fear not: you're going on my Ignore list henceforth, so you needn't be troubled by any further comments of mine, on your posts. I thought partners were not allowed to chat to each other privately, when at play.The biggest problem is when one sends a profane language chat to the wrong group or person! When on a public site, such as BBO, err on the side of moderate language! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 It is absolutely ridiculous for BBO to censor private chat between friends. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaitlyn S Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 It is absolutely ridiculous for BBO to censor private chat between friends.I can see a reason. One might make a hateful bigoted comment based on the nationality of one of the tablemates and somehow not correctly click the friend's username, so that the hurtful comment is seen at the table, or worse, in the lobby. How many times have you meant to say something to somebody and had it go to someone else? I'd guess that at least 10% of my chats are misdirected due to small print/touch screen snafus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 I can see a reason. One might make a hateful bigoted comment based on the nationality of one of the tablemates and somehow not correctly click the friend's username, so that the hurtful comment is seen at the table, or worse, in the lobby. How many times have you meant to say something to somebody and had it go to someone else? I'd guess that at least 10% of my chats are misdirected due to small print/touch screen snafus. Your comment is irrelevant to what I said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 I can see a reason. One might make a hateful bigoted comment based on the nationality of one of the tablemates and somehow not correctly click the friend's username, so that the hurtful comment is seen at the table, or worse, in the lobby. How many times have you meant to say something to somebody and had it go to someone else? I'd guess that at least 10% of my chats are misdirected due to small print/touch screen snafus.Did you miss where he said "between friends"? If you send to the wrong person it won't be between friends, and it will be subjected to the normal censorship process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Did you miss where he said "between friends"? If you send to the wrong person it won't be between friends, and it will be subjected to the normal censorship process. How does BBO determine whether people are friends or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 How does BBO determine whether people are friends or not?Friends are players who follow each other. So if I follow you, and you follow me, we're considered friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Friends are players who follow each other. So if I follow you, and you follow me, we're considered friends. OK, but we may not even have met each other, nor had any online contact. I would be very reluctant to use this "following" status to filter abusive language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaitlyn S Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Did you miss where he said "between friends"? If you send to the wrong person it won't be between friends, and it will be subjected to the normal censorship process.Yes, I missed it - didn't think it through. OK, but we may not even have met each other, nor had any online contact. I would be very reluctant to use this "following" status to filter abusive language.What criteria would you use instead? Consider that my concern about racially charged chat being seen by its targets when you misclick the chat recipient is probably shared by many others here at BBO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 OK, but we may not even have met each other, nor had any online contact. I would be very reluctant to use this "following" status to filter abusive language. Which part of "if I follow you and if you follow me" are you having hard time to understand? I can not just click 'follow' someone and send him/her abusive language. He/she has to also click on following me in order the software to recognize us as friends. Besides, anyone can unfollow someone to activate the filter or even 'ignore' someone to totally mute him/her, anytime they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 What criteria would you use instead? Consider that my concern about racially charged chat being seen by its targets when you misclick the chat recipient is probably shared by many others here at BBO. I would not use any criteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 I would not use any criteria.You don't even play on BBO, what difference does any of this make to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 OK, but we may not even have met each other, nor had any online contact. I would be very reluctant to use this "following" status to filter abusive language.I think it makes some sense. If I use the F-word when communicating with a friend, it seems likely that it is normal part of a friendly conversation. We may not have met each other but the fact that we follow each other (i.e. we want to be noticed about each other's login) makes it likely that we are "friends" in the normal sense of the word. OTOH if I use the F-word when communicating with someone who is not following me it seems more likely that it will be seen as unwelcome. Of course, the criteria could err on both sides. But presumably a substantial part of the email flood that reaches abuse@... is related to prophanities and if that is so I can see why they want to have a filter that weeds out some of that flood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 You don't even play on BBO, what difference does any of this make to you?:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 You don't even play on BBO, what difference does any of this make to you? I am only stating my opinion. I have not said anything about the effect on me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 I am only stating my opinion. I have not said anything about the effect on me.OK, but it seemed like you were stating them based on ignorance of how these settings are used on BBO. Random users often follow people that they don't know, e.g. they follow star players so they can kibitz them. But the stars don't usually follow them back, so there's no mutual friendship relationship. When both players follow each other, it's reasonable to assume that they actually do know each other, and they know what their sensibilities are. I've spent time with you in person at the bar after the game. I'm pretty sure I heard language from you that you wouldn't use at the bridge table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 OK, but it seemed like you were stating them based on ignorance of how these settings are used on BBO. Random users often follow people that they don't know, e.g. they follow star players so they can kibitz them. But the stars don't usually follow them back, so there's no mutual friendship relationship. When both players follow each other, it's reasonable to assume that they actually do know each other, and they know what their sensibilities are. I've spent time with you in person at the bar after the game. I'm pretty sure I heard language from you that you wouldn't use at the bridge table. Maybe I am old-fashioned, because I think it is different when it is online chat. At least with someone you have never met in person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted November 11, 2016 Report Share Posted November 11, 2016 Maybe I am old-fashioned, because I think it is different when it is online chat. At least with someone you have never met in person. Are there any other behaviours of people who are complete strangers to you that you would like to control? Is it OK if I eat while playing bridge online? can I enjoy a beer while doing so? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted November 11, 2016 Report Share Posted November 11, 2016 Removed a rude post here and a reply quoting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 Removed a rude post here and a reply quoting it. Awww... but it was so on point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 Awww... but it was so on point! Yours was :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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