pclayton Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 [hv=d=s&v=b&s=skxhxdaj9xcaktxxx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] Matchpoints, club game. You open 1♣ (playing 2/1). 1♦ on left, negative double by pard, 1♠ on right. Your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 3c Lets give P:QXXXAQXXXXXXX 2NT rebid Must force p to game 100%, I assume they will not make neg x on random 6HCP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 3♣. The ten of clubs makes the difference between 2 and 3. 2♣ would not be a serious underbid though, considering that I likely have ♦KQ over me. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 [hv=d=s&v=b&s=skxhxdaj9xcaktxxx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] Matchpoints, club game. You open 1♣ (playing 2/1). 1♦ on left, negative double by pard, 1♠ on right. Your call? I'm going to bid 2♣. I readily admit that this is a conservative position, however: I have shortness in Hearts, opposite partner's presumed strength..I have the KQ of Diamonds sitting over meI have the Kx in Spades which isn't a particularly exiting holding... As a number of people noted, its very close between 2♣ and 3♣. Guess I'm feeling conservative for a change... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 2C. 1D overcall on my left turns me off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 2C, volunterrily rebid should show more than min. If we have a game, it must be 3N or 5C. If pd cannot move over 2C I dont think we will miss anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 2C, volunterrily rebid should show more than min. If we have a game, it must be 3N or 5C. If pd cannot move over 2C I dont think we will miss anything. That's what I voted. I was the first who voted for 2♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 2C, volunterrily rebid should show more than min. If we have a game, it must be 3N or 5C. If pd cannot move over 2C I dont think we will miss anything. 2♣ doesn't show extras in my book. Well, more clubs and a good suit of course, but not as far as high cards are concerned. This is a 2♣ rebid for me with or without intervention: AxxxxxxKQJxxx If I pass this hand now, my clubs could just as well be xxx, or even xx if 1♣ doesn't promise more than two cards. I have a clear message to give my partner with this hand. As I pointed out earlier, the only thing I don't like about the hand pclayton posts is ♦AJ9x after LHO overcalled diamonds. Nevertheless, I am inclined to bid 3♣. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 2C, volunterrily rebid should show more than min. If we have a game, it must be 3N or 5C. If pd cannot move over 2C I dont think we will miss anything. 2♣ doesn't show extras in my book. Well, more clubs and a good suit of course, but not as far as high cards are concerned. This is a 2♣ rebid for me with or without intervention: AxxxxxxKQJxxx If I pass this hand now, my clubs could just as well be xxx, or even xx if 1♣ doesn't promise more than two cards. I have a clear message to give my partner with this hand. As I pointed out earlier, the only thing I don't like about the hand pclayton posts is ♦AJ9x after LHO overcalled diamonds. Nevertheless, I am inclined to bid 3♣. Roland I actually think it is quite close between 2C and 3C. The only question presuaded me to 2C is, if pd has 8-10 and doubleton club, would he pass my 2C? I dont think so. Pd will raise to 3C. In that case I can bid 3N happily. If pd has singelton club, then pd will bid 3N if you jump to 3C, but pass if you bid 2C. I think we will never miss a game if pd could not move over 2C. In sum, 2C has much to gain but little to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 Regarding DAJ9x, I personnally dont think it is a minus, I actually quite like it. If it is KJ9x, then i agree it could be a minus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 2C, prepared to bid 3C. Lets see what happens next. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted April 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 I think all of you are undervaluing the potential of this hand. What's partner shape?. Likely 4-4 in the majors. 2 to 3 diamonds probably, so a minimum of 2 clubs. How about the opponents? Hearts have got to be 4-4 here, so thats good news. LHO has diamonds, RHO has spades, so clubs aren't foul. LHO most likely has a doubleton spade, but it could be a stiff (bad for club contracts). I bid 3N, and I think its indicated. I can live with 3 clubs, which will also get you to 3N I think. Yes, 3N could be very wrong if pard has very weak hearts, but that doesn't sound likely. Here's the complete hand: [hv=n=sqxxxhkxxxdxcqjxx&w=s109haqxxdkqtxxcxx&e=sajxxxhjtxxdxxxcx&s=skxhxdaj9xcaktxxx]399|300|[/hv] I received the ♠10 lead, ducked to my King. Heart up and they can't stop me from taking 9 tricks. I actualy made a 10th in the wash. Here's the next question: Do you want to PLAY or DEFEND 3N? You can pick any lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 defend and lead the DK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 3N bid is just plainly wrong in my opinion. The final contract is right doesnt mean the bid is right. After 2C, pd will raise to 3C/4C. You can bid 3N/5C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 I wonder how could you answer this question without asking "who is my pd?" isn't that the real question to decide what to bid? I can think about different pds and I can think about 2c, 3c, and 3NT as options. About your second question: I want to PLAY 3NT :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 i voted for 2nt.. on the actual hand, i'd probably lead the ♥Q if i was defending, then (if it held) a low heart.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 2♣, to me, really doubt it would end the auction (even on th egiven hand I doubt it would). I see no way to make it after ♦K/Q lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted April 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 3N bid is just plainly wrong in my opinion. The final contract is right doesnt mean the bid is right. After 2C, pd will raise to 3C/4C. You can bid 3N/5C. Really? Is pard's hand so unusual here? I think a 2♣ rebid will get you to 3N / 5♣ only because pard has a superfluous 4th club. Will pard make a move over 2♣ with the same hand but one less club? I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 3N bid is just plainly wrong in my opinion. The final contract is right doesnt mean the bid is right. After 2C, pd will raise to 3C/4C. You can bid 3N/5C. Really? Is pard's hand so unusual here? I think a 2♣ rebid will get you to 3N / 5♣ only because pard has a superfluous 4th club. Will pard make a move over 2♣ with the same hand but one less club? I doubt it. Yes, even with Qx club he shoudl raise to 3C. I learnt this bidding from Fred when He was commentating vugraph. Not many know to raise with doulbteon. And this is a good bidding I think. Consider North/south alone without interference, and assume north's hand is Hxxx,Hxxx,xxx,Qx, then after your rebid 2C, he should raise to 3C. I am quite sure this is correct bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted April 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 You want to defend this one; I can't see how to make it either after the ♦K. If its ducked, you get to deal with a ♥ shift. If you win, you can't effective score your spade, then lead up to the ♥K without losing 1♥, 2♠'s and 2♦'s. In practice its a great contract though, and takes precise defense to beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatrix45 Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 :D Whole lotta result playin' goin' on around here. A cautious 2♣ call (as opposed to a pushy 3♣ bid) seems absolutely called for when I am 2-1 in partner's suits. It is a 'free' bid, so pard will know I have decent playing strength and will surely raise to 3♣ looking at a hand worth around 11 points in support of ♣ and a likely 10 card trump suit. Now we should get to the RIGHT game (5♣) after I cue bid 3♦. As far as playing in 3NT goes, all defenders have to do is not lead a spade or continue diamonds into the wheel and declarer loses 3♥, 1♦ and the ace of ♠. Most of the time this won't happen but only because East's hopeless 1♠ bid will induce West to shift to spades instead of hearts at trick two. The board is probably going to be a push. You get +430 in a mis-defended 3NT. I get +420 in 5♣ when your team mate lets me steal the heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted April 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 :D Whole lotta result playin' goin' on around here. A cautious 2♣ call (as opposed to a pushy 3♣ bid) seems absolutely called for when I am 2-1 in partner's suits. It is a 'free' bid, so pard will know I have decent playing strength and will surely raise to 3♣ looking at a hand worth around 11 points in support of ♣ and a likely 10 card trump suit. Now we should get to the RIGHT game (5♣) after I cue bid 3♦. As far as playing in 3NT goes, all defenders have to do is not lead a spade or continue diamonds into the wheel and declarer loses 3♥, 1♦ and the ace of ♠. Most of the time this won't happen but only because East's hopeless 1♠ bid will induce West to shift to spades instead of hearts at trick two. The board is probably going to be a push. You get +430 in a mis-defended 3NT. I get +420 in 5♣ when your team mate lets me steal the heart. :) The "free bid" went out with the buggy whip. And no, it takes a very precise defense to beat 3N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatrix45 Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 And no, it takes a very precise defense to beat 3N. You mean 'precise' as in making the obvious ♦ king lead, then shifting to a small heart at trick two and having a partner who isn't a moron. 5♣ is untouchable on the existing lay of the cards. Partner should see that we get there whether I bid 2 ♣ or 3♣ at my second turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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