chasetb Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 [hv=pc=n&s=skj93ha853dq76ca2&n=saq82h94d543c9643&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=1cd1h1sd(3%20!H)2sppp]266|200[/hv] Opening lead is the ♣ King. Experts, please use spoilers. Like my hint - When I played it with GIB, a different lead meant I went down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Doesn't seem too hard. Looks like a high crossruff. So I will not lead trumps. I duck trick one, and if they lead a trump, I take that and duck a heart. They lead trump again, and I reach 8 tricks via two round suit aces, four round suit ruffs, and two natural trump tricks. The defense can also cash 3 diamonds at any time, but cannot take a 6th trick. If ops can lead trumps 3 times, 2♠ cannot be made. This requires a trump on opening lead, and also the defender with longer trumps must take the second ducked trick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 [hv=pc=n&s=skj93ha853dq76ca2&n=saq82h94d543c9643&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=1cd1h1sd(3%20!H)2sppp]266|200|chasetb asks "Opening lead is the ♣ King. Experts, please use spoilers." Non-expert effort Similar to billw55: Win ♣A and ♥A. Exit in ♥. Win ♠ return. Ruff a ♥ low. Exit in ♣. Win ♠ return. Cross-ruff high. With luck, you make 2 Aces and 6 trump tricks. [/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 Doesn't seem too hard. Looks like a high crossruff. So I will not lead trumps. I duck trick one, and if they lead a trump, I take that and duck a heart. They lead trump again, and I reach 8 tricks via two round suit aces, four round suit ruffs, and two natural trump tricks. The defense can also cash 3 diamonds at any time, but cannot take a 6th trick. If ops can lead trumps 3 times, 2♠ cannot be made. This requires a trump on opening lead, and also the defender with longer trumps must take the second ducked trick. How will you play if they never play spades? Assume they cashed 3 diamonds and continued clubs. When you play 2 rounds of ♥ East took it and played 3rd round of ♣. Will you play for 4-3 ♣ or will you ruff high? Which one are you ruffing with? You have to ruff with J in case W has T. Just to see clubs were actually 4-3. And ruff 3rd ♥ in dummy. Now what?Assume you cashed ♠A one round. And then? http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alok c Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 Doesn't seem too hard. Looks like a high crossruff. So I will not lead trumps. I duck trick one, and if they lead a trump, I take that and duck a heart. They lead trump again, and I reach 8 tricks via two round suit aces, four round suit ruffs, and two natural trump tricks. The defense can also cash 3 diamonds at any time, but cannot take a 6th trick. If ops can lead trumps 3 times, 2♠ cannot be made. This requires a trump on opening lead, and also the defender with longer trumps must take the second ducked trick. Not so simple,somebody may have ♠10xx & may overruff 3/4 ♣ or 4th ♥.As East shown 3carder♥ you are to ruff 4th♥ high.So you are to preserve one high ♠ in hand to take two trump tricks.If they return a trump,it is easy as you are getting a free finesse.But if they continue with ♦,♣,♥ you either have to assume West has 3carder ♣ or finesse ♠10 /assume its position in East or West hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 As Mr Ace points out, if opponents don't keep leading trumps and you manage to ruff a ♥ low, then you cross-ruff high. ♣A, ♥A, ♥ ruff low, ruffs with ♠AKQJ. Finally, your ♠8 and ♠9 are equals against ♠T :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alok c Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 As Mr Ace points out, if opponents don't keep leading trumps and you manage to ruff a ♥ low, then you cross-ruff high. ♣A, ♥A, ♥ ruff low, ruffs with ♠AKQJ. Finally, your ♠8 and ♠9 are equals against ♠T :) You can ruff ♥ only twice & they have already taken 5 tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 You can ruff ♥ only twice & they have already taken 5 tricks. Duh! alok c is right :) Perhaps there's no safe line :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 How will you play if they never play spades? Assume they cashed 3 diamonds and continued clubs. When you play 2 rounds of ♥ East took it and played 3rd round of ♣. Will you play for 4-3 ♣ or will you ruff high? Which one are you ruffing with? You have to ruff with J in case W has T. Just to see clubs were actually 4-3. And ruff 3rd ♥ in dummy. Now what?By this point I may have some additional clues about the distribution. The auction is at least encouraging. As Nigel says, perhaps there is no sure trick line. But 6 trump tricks are obviously necessary (and none for the defense) so alternatives are limited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 You can safely ruff a heart in dummy because East has shown 3 hearts. If opponents don't play trumps, you either have to ruff the 4th heart with the ♠8 or ruff a club with ♠9. Without more details about the distribution, you don't know who has ♠10. Looks like a 50-50 chance either opponent could have it. But ruffing a club with ♠9 gives an additional chance since clubs may be 4-3 so West can't overruff, and if they are 5-2, then maybe they can't overruff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramticket Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 I agree - there is no 100% line of play that I can see and the choice comes down to either ruffing the third club with the 9♠ or the fourth heart with the 8♠. The lead of the K ♣is consistent with an original KX, KQX or even KQXX. Ruffing the third round of clubs with the 9♠ only fails if West led from ♣KX and started with ♠10X(X)(X). The chance of a diamond trick should not be dismissed. West has already shown the king of clubs and if west's one heart bid includes a heart honour it seems to me that the chances of finding East with both the ace and king of diamonds are quite good, given that East opened the bidding. I think the best line is: win A♣, cash the A♥ and exit in hearts. The defence may cash their five tricks (although if East has ♦AK this might not be possible) and will probably then lead a club - take a deep breath and ruff with the ♠9. If it succeeds the contract makes on a high cross-ruff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 I agree - there is no 100% line of play that I can see and the choice comes down to either ruffing the third club with the 9♠ or the fourth heart with the 8♠. The lead of the K ♣is consistent with an original KX, KQX or even KQXX. Ruffing the third round of clubs with the 9♠ only fails if West led from ♣KX and started with ♠10X(X)(X). The chance of a diamond trick should not be dismissed. West has already shown the king of clubs and if west's one heart bid includes a heart honour it seems to me that the chances of finding East with both the ace and king of diamonds are quite good, given that East opened the bidding. I think the best line is: win A♣, cash the A♥ and exit in hearts. The defence may cash their five tricks (although if East has ♦AK this might not be possible) and will probably then lead a club - take a deep breath and ruff with the ♠9. If it succeeds the contract makes on a high cross-ruff. W was not on lead. E led ♣ K http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alok c Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Indeed there is no safe line.Another line of play is take ♣A,♥A & exit a ♥.After taking their 5 tricks if East leads 3rd ♣ ruff high, ruff a♥,cash ♠A,ruff a♣high & take ♠ finesse through West -it will be successful whenever West held ♠10 even if he held ♣xx.So for different line of play to succeed ultimately it boils down to how many ♣ West holds or position of ♠10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramticket Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 W was not on lead. E led ♣ K http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif Oops! :) Lots of space for west to have a top diamond then and I fear that the diamond suit is unlikely to supply a trick! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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