Asking guard or a GF with 4+ Spades?

[msjennifer]

RHO bid 4H! My hand is S-J1076,H-xx,D-KJX,C-J10xx .Pass or 4S?What to bid?

 

As per my knowledge, this sequence shows a very strong take out with 4+ Spades and an opening 2C bid hand.

[Cyberyeti]

Most people play this as asking for a heart stop for 3N I believe

[The_Badger]

hi msjennifer,

 

I'm with Cyberyeti on this one, 2♥(weak) - 3♥(overcall) is, I believe too, a hand asking for a ♥ stop. A long solid minor with cover in the other suits usually.

 

Which begs the question if the bidding goes 2♥ - 3♥ -4♥ - ? what do you bid with ♠J1076 ♥xx ♦KJx ♣J10xx

 

If you believe your interpretation of the 3♥ bid, 4+♠ and a 2♣ sort of hand, then I'm bidding 4♠ always.

[jallerton]

Most people play this as asking for a heart stop for 3N I believe

 

Another very reasonable treatment is to play 3♥ as showing a good 2-sioted hand, at least 5-5 in spades and a minor.

[apollo1201]

Another very reasonable treatment is to play 3♥ as showing a good 2-sioted hand, at least 5-5 in spades and a minor.

 

I thought it is actually more played for a 2-suited minor hand. The other major + a minor can bid 4m if strong enough otherwise just bid their major.

[nige1]

RHO bid 4H! My hand is S-J1076,H-xx,D-KJX,C-J10xx .Pass or 4S?What to bid?As per my knowledge, this sequence shows a very strong take out with 4+ Spades and an opening 2C bid hand.

Over (2♥) 3♥ (4♥) ??, with no understandings, I rank

1. 4♠ = NAT. Without agreements, partner knows we're floundering, so should bid on, without support.
2. Double = OPT. Blame transfer.
3. Pass = NAT. Timid but partner might clarify.

After (2♥) 3♥ (_P) ?? Among possible treatments are

• ASK for ♥ stop e.g. ♠ K x ♥ x ♦ A x x ♣ A K Q x x x x
• MICHAELS 5+ ♠s & 5 + m. e.g. ♠ A K x x x ♥ - ♦ Q T x x x x ♣ K x
• MINORS 5+ ♦s & 5+ ♣s (assuming 4♣/4♦ would have been so-called leaping Michaels). e.g. ♠ x ♥ - ♦ A Q x x x x ♣ K Q x x x x
• STRONG HAND short in ♥ e.g. ♠ A K Q x ♥ - ♦ A Q x x x x ♣ A K Q

[WGF_Flame]

just a side point. if it shows GF with 4S (i don't think it does) you probably still shouldn't bid 4 spades. the total trumps aren't enough to make four spade right.

[Zelandakh]

Over (2♥) 3♥ (4♥) ??, with no understandings, I rank

1. 4♠ = NAT. Without agreements, partner knows we're floundering, so should bid on, without support.
2. Double = OPT. Blame transfer.
3. Pass = NAT. Timid but partner might clarify.

Not even 1 point on the Nigel scale for 4NT?

[rmnka447]

Bidding over a weak 2 bid is an area that requires some discussion. The problem is that the opponents have mildly preempted the auction and used up precious bidding space, so it's difficult to find bids to describe all possible competitive hands. nige1 describes the possible options for 3 ♥. Unfortunately, most of us haven't worked out all the possibilities, so an auction like the one in question comes up and we're scrambling to figure out what to do.

 

Without a firm understanding about what 3 ♥ means, I think 4 ♠ stands out as the most likely bid to succeed. Partner should realize that 4 ♠ will often be bid on a 4 card suit to avoid missing the major suit game. If partner has the minors (Unusual NT equivalent), partner can bid 4 NT -- 2 places to play. If partner has the long minor and 3 ♥ was seeking a stopper, partner can bid the minor. If partner intended it as Michaels, 4 ♠ puts you right where you belong.

 

As with most of my partners, if 3 ♥ asks for a stopper, I'm bidding 4 NT and letting partner bid his minor (undoubtedly ♣). With a long minor and 4 ♠, partner would be more likely to overcall in the minor rather than immediately try for 3 NT. By bidding 4 NT, I'm implying a fit for either minor which may be useful to partner.