Fluffy Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 I was simply pointing out that it doen't imply calling the other cheater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 (And, of course, anyone with half a brain should be personally embarrassed by the piss poor quality of the "analysis" that your team submitted) You suspect opponents might have damaged your team by unwittingly playing an illegal convention. You judge that, if they're allowed to continue, the advantage conferred might be enough to win the match. I'm intrigued as to what Cherdano and Hrothgar would do In this context. I would do what the Spanish captain did. I would hastily assemble what evidence I could. I would present it to directors, well before the next session. I would hope that the CTD had time to investigate further, to reach a decision in my favour, preferably, before the match re-started. Cherdano and Hrothgar disagree with me but, IMO, prima facie, the Spanish team had a reasonable case. Given time and other constraints, I don't know how they could make a better case to back their allegation. After spending hours, collecting and assessing more evidence, Max Bavin ruled in favour of the American team, presumably, on the balance of probability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 You suspect opponents might have damaged your team by unwittingly playing an illegal convention. You judge that, if they're allowed to continue, the advantage conferred might be enough to win the match. I'm intrigued as to what Cherdano and Hrothgar would do In this context. I cannot speak for Richard nor Arend, but here's what I would do. If I felt like they were playing something illegal, I would bring it up early and hopefully even before the match started. If I felt the need to wait until the last segment (dubious) I would accept the timing of the director's ruling with grace, since I could have brought it up sooner. There is no way in hell would I ever pull the players. Everyone came to Wroclaw to play bridge and not to protest. Spain could have handled this a lot better. I doubt their captain will be nominated for the Sportsmanship Award. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 I cannot speak for Richard nor Arend, but here's what I would do. If I felt like they were playing something illegal, I would bring it up early and hopefully even before the match started. If I felt the need to wait until the last segment (dubious) I would accept the timing of the director's ruling with grace, since I could have brought it up sooner. There is no way in hell would I ever pull the players. Everyone came to Wroclaw to play bridge and not to protest. Spain could have handled this a lot better. I doubt their captain will be nominated for the Sportsmanship Award. Phil's criticism is unusual. You need to play a lot of boards to provide any evidence of, and to suspect damage from, this kind of putative infraction. Some argue that the Spanish team acted prematurely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 Phil's criticism is unusual. You need to play a lot of boards to provide any evidence of, and to suspect damage from, this kind of putative infraction. Some argue that the Spanish team acted prematurely. You do realize that nearly all of the data was from matches prior to the Spain match right? There was 1, maybe 2 hands in the match and if they are claiming a CPU that's just nearly not evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 We're repeating ourselves :( I'm afraid we'll have to agree to differ :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 Kick the damn horse again, it's still moving! :P 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 I'm intrigued as to what Cherdano and Hrothgar would do In this context. I like to think that I would have the good sense to chose to do nothing rather than make a public accusation based on the evidence that the Spanish team presented. Don't get me wrong. I can often be a petty and vindictive SOB. There are a few players out there who I would love to publicly embarrass.However, I hope that I would be able to recognize that proceeding as the Spanish team did could very easily backfire. Here's what I would do if I were seriously concerned about B+L's opening style in 3rd seat 1. I would privately say something to the TDs and ask that they pay attention to this throughout the duration of the remainder of the event2. At the close of the tournament, I would try to kick off a general discussion of opening styles in 3rd seat and see whether "just playing bridge" is consistent with the definition of a HUM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 FWIW, I am going to be drinking my way across Tokyo and Kyoto for a couple weeks... Commentary may be scarce(You can thank me for that later) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberlour10 Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 deleted. my mistake sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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