It didn't occur to me that he could pass this

[blackshoe]

To me, if opener bids a new minor at the three level, it is forcing for one round at the very least, whatever system you are playing. Opener is unlimited, except where a partnership are using a strong club system.

Be advised that last statement is not universally true.

[cynac]

Agree. Opps have taken away your weak 2h reply (hugely passable in standard acol), but have given you the ability to pass.

So 3d is free bid of " new suit at the three level" which in my rudimentary days was forcing for at least a round.

And I am still in my rudimentary days (before you point that out.....)

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

I dont have played Acol for a long time.

 

The question is, how do you discover a possible diamond fit?

What is the meaning of openers X?

What would be the meaning of X by responder?

 

I think those question are more relevant, than anything else.

If you have answered those (I would play both as T/O), but what

ever, than you can discuss, if a direct 3D or a delayed is stronger,

again, coming from a NFB background, for me the delayed would be

stronger.

 

And 2NT as good / bad is also helpful, opener could still have a

strong NT, but first things first, and this would be clarifying the

meaning of X.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[fromageGB]

.. but first things first, and this would be clarifying the meaning of X.

Agree. I don't play Acol but would like to know the answer. New suit at the 3 level is forcing, but bids after opponents' bids are not necessarily. If double is "values" without much to say, perhaps a 3532 shape 15 count, and therefore quite passable, 3♦ is forcing. If double was takeout, then it could be the start of forcing auctions with X 3♣(say) 3♦ as forcing, and 3♦ rather than X is not forcing.

 

My choice is "values", so 3♦ is forcing, but I do not believe this is a universal opinion.

[MrAce]

3♦ is forcing unless opening bid was systematically limited.