lycier Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?sn=Robot&s=SKT875HQ84DQ9CT93&wn=Robot&w=SQHK632D842CAKQ85&nn=Robot&n=SA9HAT97DJ76CJ742&en=lycier&e=SJ6432HJ5DAKT53C6&d=e&v=e&b=6&a=PP1C(Minor%20suit%20opening%20--%203+%20%21C%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points)P1S(One%20over%20one%20--%204+%20%21S%3B%2011-%20HCP%3B%206-12%20total%20points)P2C(Opener%20rebids%20his%20C%20--%203-%20%21S%3B%2011-15%20HCP%3B%20twice%20rebiddable%20%21C%3B%2012-16%20total%20points)P2D(New%20suit%20--%203+%20%21D%3B%204+%20%21S%3B%2011-%20HCP%3B%2012%20total%20points%3B%20forcing%20to%203N)P2N(2-%20%21S%3B%2011-14%20HCP%3B%20twice%20rebiddable%20%21C%3B%2012+%20total%20points%3B%20likely%20stop%20in%20%21H%3B%20forcing%20to%203N)P3N(3+%20%21D%3B%204+%20%21S%3B%2011%20HCP%3B%2012%20total%20points)PPP&p=HTH5H4HKD2D6DAD9S4S5SQSAHAHJH8H6H9S6HQH2C3CAC4C6CQC7S2C9CKC2D5CTD8D7D3DQSKC8S9S3STC5H7SJDKS7D4DJDTS8H3CJ]400|300[/hv] I have no way to understand why both of 2♦ and 2N can promise to force to game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 2D was forcing to 3NT, therefore any bid below 3NT is also forcing to 3NT. Now whether 2D should be forcing to 3NT, especially as a passed hand is another question. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iandayre Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 2D was forcing to 3NT, therefore any bid below 3NT is also forcing to 3NT. Now whether 2D should be forcing to 3NT, especially as a passed hand is another question. Very true. And an easy one to answer, cannot possibly be forcing to game. The question is whether it should even be a one-round force. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Very true. And an easy one to answer, cannot possibly be forcing to game. The question is whether it should even be a one-round force. I think it has to be, unless you have a gadget. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 I think it has to be, unless you have a gadget. My "gadget" is that it shows a hand in the maximum pass range. Some may play this as natural, not forcing. I don't know anybody I think is good who plays this game forcing by a passed hand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Other than drury or a few specific instances, GIB doesn't know to change its system by a passed hand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted August 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) My "gadget" is that it shows a hand in the maximum pass range. Some may play this as natural, not forcing. I don't know anybody I think is good who plays this game forcing by a passed hand.Other than drury or a few specific instances, GIB doesn't know to change its system by a passed hand. Totally agree with you.Your replies are convincing.http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif Edited September 3, 2016 by diana_eva Fixed quote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 Could you please not quote me as saying something I did not say? Thank you, that would be much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 Could you please not quote me as saying something I did not say? Thank you, that would be much appreciated. Fixed lycier's quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 Fixed lycier's quote.You fixed it incorrectly. Johnu and JDonn each made a statement. Lycier originally incorrectly attributed both statements to JDonn; you changed it to attribute both statements to Johnu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 You fixed it incorrectly. Johnu and JDonn each made a statement. Lycier originally incorrectly attributed both statements to JDonn; you changed it to attribute both statements to Johnu. Thanks, didn't notice. Fixed the fixed quote :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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