wank Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 Ak9xxQxKqxXxx You're at adverse at matchpoints. It goes 2c precision in your right, 2s from you, 4c on the left, natural 5h from p, pass on your right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 If 5♥ is natural, what would 4♥ have shown? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 No. Not enough aces. I doubt the hq is pulling its weight either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 Yes. Partner is missing a lot of red-suit fillers, so he's likely to have first-round control of one of the minors. For example, Qx AKJxxxxx Jx x isn't a 5♥ bid. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted August 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 If 5♥ is natural, what would 4♥ have shown? natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanoff Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 Yes, 7 more likely than 5. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Ak9xxQxKqxXxx You're at adverse at matchpoints. It goes 2c precision in your right, 2s from you, 4c on the left, natural 5h from p, pass on your right. nOn expert answer here...I pass...EASY PASS .given OP Actually I would not have bid 2s so I would have a different problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The_Badger Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 6♥ or 7♥ even? Mmmm.... What exactly have the opponents got? Not a lot! Assuming they have bid 4♣ on the Law of Total tricks, that means ♣s are 5-5, so the Precision opener will have a 4 card major too. I'd certainly bid 6♥ at Matchpoints, as for 7♥? Anyone's guess. (Cowardly I know) Actually I'm bidding 7♥s. Top or bottom. I can't see partner with anything less than ♠xx ♥AKJxxxxx ♦Axx ♣void, or, ♠xxx ♥AKJxxxxx ♦Ax ♣void to bid 5♥. If he does turn up with a ♣ loser it looks like I'm paying for the round in the bar after the game :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alok c Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 6♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Yes. Partner is missing a lot of red-suit fillers, so he's likely to have first-round control of one of the minors. For example, Qx AKJxxxxx Jx x isn't a 5♥ bid.This was also repped several times so I suppose it must be correct. It had occurred to me that 5♥ might mean specifically "bid slam with a club control", which I suppose must be incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted August 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Yes. Partner is missing a lot of red-suit fillers, so he's likely to have first-round control of one of the minors. For example, Qx AKJxxxxx Jx x isn't a 5♥ bid. unfortunately partner didn't need any red suit fillers.[hv=pc=n&n=sjthakjt98732d5c6]133|100[/hv] fwiw i agree with frances, but i would say that as i was the 5h bidder. considering we had just collected galactic tops on the previous 2 deals (twice bid and made 6NT for those who know the hands), it was rather poor matchplay (your % of the matchpoints on the 8 board round are translated to victory points so there are diminishing returns) for us to bid a dodgy slam on this board. of course we were both to blame for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caitlynne Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 I am not sure what 5H means, but at least you seem to have an agreement that it is natural and non-forcing. According to Goren, though, jumps to 5 of a major are not only natural, but they generally ask about one of two things - either about possession of control of the opponents's suit (in this case, clubs) or asking for a raise for each high honor (Ace, King, or Queen) held in the trump suit. Well, I am pretty confident that partner has control of clubs - I have 3 and they have bid and raised the suit to the 4 level with a jump - they surely have 9 if not all 10 of the the missing clubs. So, partner must be asking about hearts. I happen to have a high honor so I am OBLIGED to raise. I bid 6H. This really is not a matter of judgment. Partner has asked a question and you really must answer - there is no other choice - if you play partnership bridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Tu Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 I am not sure what 5H means, but at least you seem to have an agreement that it is natural and non-forcing. According to Goren, though, jumps to 5 of a major are not only natural, but they generally ask about one of two things - either about possession of control of the opponents's suit (in this case, clubs) or asking for a raise for each high honor (Ace, King, or Queen) held in the trump suit. Yes this is standard - on other auctions where there are more options. When trumps have already been set, where you have alternative options of cue bidding a side control, RKC, exclusion, then yes jumping to 5M is normally asking one of these two things. On this hand you only really have two bids to show hearts, 4H and 5H. When your options are constrained, it's not really practical to reserve 5M for those meanings - it leaves a ton of other hands essentially unbiddable. You really can only have 5H = "too good for 4H, do you like your hand?". It does leave partner more guessing than a specific ask, but it gives you a chance to find slam on good hands with great hearts and a club control but still needing some other stuff when your only other choice is 4H and partner will almost never move over that. Fwiw I raise to 6♥ and don't think the wank's hand is a 5♥ bid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 imo this is just one of those things - wanks 5h seems reasonable and pards raise seems reasonable. I wouldnt lose sleep over it anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Yes this is standard - on other auctions where there are more options. When trumps have already been set, where you have alternative options of cue bidding a side control, RKC, exclusion, then yes jumping to 5M is normally asking one of these two things. On this hand you only really have two bids to show hearts, 4H and 5H. When your options are constrained, it's not really practical to reserve 5M for those meanings - it leaves a ton of other hands essentially unbiddable. You really can only have 5H = "too good for 4H, do you like your hand?". It does leave partner more guessing than a specific ask, but it gives you a chance to find slam on good hands with great hearts and a club control but still needing some other stuff when your only other choice is 4H and partner will almost never move over that. Fwiw I raise to 6♥ and don't think the wank's hand is a 5♥ bid. i accept the raise is debatable but 5h - i mean come on your way too strong to just bid 4h Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Badger Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Ok, I admit I got this totally wrong :( but this sort of hand crops up once in a blue moon, and that's why bridge is vicarious and can be so cruel. A decision, practically a guess, can turn matches. Ok, 7♥ is a bid too far, especially as the opponents have opened, but many are bidding 6♥ too which is still not making. In some ways I don't like the 5♥ bid - but what else do you bid? - as it takes up too much space and puts enormous pressure on partner. The ♥ suit is self supporting except if you get a weird break, and it looks like you are losing a ♣. So you are still missing 2 aces ♦+♠ between 3 hands. Also, a ♠ finesse may be necessary to get home, too, and that's not guaranteed. So statistically you have presented partner with a quandary with the hand given. With so many minor suit cards missing, maybe a 4♥ bid is preferable, followed by 5♥ if the opponents sacrifice. Again a guess, but with the opponents non-vulnerable, I believe there is more chance they will give you the opportunity of another bid. And you still may end in 6♥ - I give up :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jallerton Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Yes. Partner is missing a lot of red-suit fillers, so he's likely to have first-round control of one of the minors. For example, Qx AKJxxxxx Jx x isn't a 5♥ bid. I agree. Despite having seen partner's hand, the most likely layout to explain the bidding includes partner holding a club void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 Deleted nonsense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msjennifer Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 Wanks hand does not deserve a 5H bid at all!If no agreement about dealing with such situations has been done earlier it is worth only abid of 4H and nothing more.It's a five loser hand and 2S over callers hand is completely unknown.It has not promised anything except a good spade suit and an Ace outside perhaps.Keeping this in mind there is nothing to get excited about in this hand .As a 2S overcaller,I will note a thing or two. Such a bid asks overcaller to bid six holding a top honor in Heart is one way and the other is to bid six with aces of D and S.Since there is much darkness surrounding partners expectations I shall PASS to be on a safe side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 I would not have bid 5♥ on that hand, but Wank is a much better player than me - and come to that, than you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forgo Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 I bid 6 hearts! !!p must be asking about hearts!!?? I have queen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanoff Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 5♥ is a limit bid.I got this wrong as well but we were short changed by dummy. As others have said, partner could be void or what would he do with xx AKJ10xxx Axx x ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 I can't think of any other hand that bids 5♥ and goes down in 6♥. I would had bet for club void everyday of the week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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