BBF vs pre-empt

[manudude03]

[hv=pc=n&w=skt2hkd9532caq987&d=n&v=e&b=9&a=pp2h]133|200[/hv]

 

MPs scoring.

This was from the BBF indy tournament earlier tonight. I was a little surprised about how the people facing this problem acted so I figured I'd throw it out there.

[MrAce]

DBL

 

If LHO passes 2♥ pd will have hard time to balance with 3-4 hearts and I don't think it scores well very often to defend 2♥ when they are not vulnerable.

[eagles123]

clearly the choice is between X and pass. I'd probably X but i do think its very close

[The_Badger]

Double - reluctantly.

 

This could get messy (as vulnerable) opposite a passed partner, but I'd take my chance a final contract won't get doubled as North has passed already.

 

I will nickname this type of double as a "latte double" as it is on the skinny side :)

[alok c]

DBL,B.O.P is with East-West & West can support balance 3suits.

[akwoo]

Lebensohl or not? (If you're not playing Lebensohl, partner will want to jump with a maximum passed hand.)

[billw55]

I think I will pass.

 

This auction pins both partner and LHO with fair values, 9-10 points or so. That makes this a partscore deal. Doubling gets us declaring, vulnerable, perhaps not in our best fit (if we have one at all), with bad splits looming and the stiff ♥K in dummy for all to see. I fear that -200 will come too often.

[manudude03]

Lebensohl or not? (If you're not playing Lebensohl, partner will want to jump with a maximum passed hand.)

 

Indy tourney, not discussed.

[Jinksy]

Doubling seems clear to me at MPs - P shouldn't get too excited unless he's really got a good hand, and even if we end up a level too high, -100 is better than the -110 I'm anticipating by passing.

[StevenG]

I'll oppose the consensus. For me, 3♣ shows 5 clubs and an opening hand, and denies four spades. I'm not letting them play in 2♥. Partner's going to have to guess whatever I do; I'd rather give as much information as I can.

[manudude03]

My thoughts were that this hand should double, but it is pretty rancid and wouldn't criticise pass. Of the three tables who had this auction, one passed and the other two bid 3C. The 3C bidders hit the proverbial jackpot (who'd have thought you could make a slam here). Full hand and auction at my table.

 

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[Tramticket]

That's a 1H opening for me.

[Fluffy]

I would pass for sure, I don't normally bid if I don't think I can make game opposite a maximum pass.

[StevenG]

I would pass for sure, I don't normally bid if I don't think I can make game opposite a maximum pass.

Even at MPs?

[MrAce]

I would pass for sure, I don't normally bid if I don't think I can make game opposite a maximum pass.

 

 

It's MP.

[rhm]

I would pass for sure, I don't normally bid if I don't think I can make game opposite a maximum pass.

It's MP.

This might have been a more interesting problem at IMPs.

As the actual layout shows game is not ruled out completely, though it will require a good match.

In the given layout game in clubs is excellent without the black queens.

Even at IMPs a part-score swing is not that cheap either.

The fear of going for a number if you double with the given hand is exaggerated.

Coming in with a stronger balanced hand, where everyone would bid 2NT, is probably more dangerous.

 

Rainer Herrmann

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

I go with pass, ... but X is ok, this is basically a guess.

3C fine, but 6C???

 

Sry, but the only justifcation for this bid is, that it makes.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[MrAce]

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[manudude03]

Hi,

 

I go with pass, ... but X is ok, this is basically a guess.

3C fine, but 6C???

 

Sry, but the only justifcation for this bid is, that it makes.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

 

I thought about posting this hand as a problem from East's perspective, but I figured you really don't need a lot for 6C to make as partner is marked with heart shortage. Kxx x xxx AKxxxx is completely cold, Kxx x xxxx AKxxx only requires clubs to break 2-1. Of course there is no guarantee that partner has the king of spades, but even then it might just be on a finesse.

[P_Marlowe]

I thought about posting this hand as a problem from East's perspective, but I figured you really don't need a lot for 6C to make as partner is marked with heart shortage. Kxx x xxx AKxxxx is completely cold, Kxx x xxxx AKxxx only requires clubs to break 2-1. Of course there is no guarantee that partner has the king of spades, but even then it might just be on a finesse.

I agree, if you hit partner with diamond shortage or no wastage in diamond, but why should he have diamond shortage

/ no diamond wastage? Given the auction, what hints do you have?

I can follow the argument to make slam try, but bidding it, as a passed hand?

[manudude03]

I agree, if you hit partner with diamond shortage or no wastage in diamond, but why should he have diamond shortage

/ no diamond wastage? Given the auction, what hints do you have?

I can follow the argument to make slam try, but bidding it, as a passed hand?

 

I did consider bidding 4H, but unknown partner, and I don't even think cuebidding is mandatory if I do bid 4H especially with me being a passed hand. Partner may well have diamond wastage, but even if so you aren't down yet. xxx x KQxx AKxxx is at worst requiring clubs 2-1 and the spade finesse working, plus on a non-spade lead you may get the misdefense of south popping the ace of diamonds (though if the ace was onside, then the spade finesse is almost certainly working anyway) and they might even lead the ace of diamonds gifting the slam at trick 1. The hands I gave in my previous post were all 10 counts that I'm pretty sure most wouldn't overcall on, you can add whatever diamond values you like to them and slam could never be any worse.

[Jinksy]

One of the reasons the slam is hard to bid might be that it's a bad slam.

[Jinksy]

Also after double, P might find a MP pass, which will score well (and apparently N might make it easier/more profitable for him by raising).

[manudude03]

I don't know how many tricks declarer is entitled to if they do play in hearts. The table that passed 2H ended up defending 2H going -2 which is only 300 NV (or 500 if raised to 3H).

[Jinksy]

Sure, you'll lose to the people in game. But how much of the room will be, after three passes then 1♣ 1♥ / 2♣ (or 1N) ... ? Is east likely to blast game at MPs as a passed hand? Or if he invites, is opener with a dubious 12-count supposed to accept? Heck, I suspect at a lot of tables in a larger room, the hand would be passed out.