An interesting RKC hand

[2200]

Hi all,

the following hand is from the 4th segment of the World Youth Bridge Championship Final, between China and Poland.

♠10xx

♥Axxxxx

♦A

♣KQx

 

♠KQx

♥KQ10xx

♦KQJx

♣x

The bidding procedure from both table is almost the same: South opened 1H, forcing raise from North, after some cuebid South launched RKC. Here is the difference:

At Chinese table, North replied 5S, 2 with Q because of the extra length. It seems rountine but it's already disaster since it's already beyond 5H and South cannot stop.

Fortunately for China, E doubled 5S(with 2 black Aces）, South passed and North ran to 5NT, making 5.

 

However, at Polish table, North replied 5H, 2 without! Therefore, Poland safely stopped at 5H.

 

Does anybody know why Polish North didn't count extra length, or he simply "feeled" something is wrong?

 

Thx.

[wank]

Hi all,

the following hand is from the 4th segment of the World Youth Bridge Championship Final, between China and Poland.

♠10xx

♥Axxxxx

♦A

♣KQx

 

♠KQx

♥KQ10xx

♦KQJx

♣x

The bidding procedure from both table is almost the same: South opened 1H, forcing raise from North, after some cuebid South launched RKC. Here is the difference:

At Chinese table, North replied 5S, 2 with Q because of the extra length. It seems rountine but it's already disaster since it's already beyond 5H and South cannot stop.

Fortunately for China, E doubled 5S(with 2 black Aces）, South passed and North ran to 5NT, making 5.

 

However, at Polish table, North replied 5H, 2 without! Therefore, Poland safely stopped at 5H.

 

Does anybody know why Polish North didn't count extra length, or he simply "feeled" something is wrong?

 

Thx.

 

 

it's only a junior tournament. i suspect north was just unaware of the option of showing extra length as the queen there.

[Fluffy]

There is always a lot to say for showing it on this position, even with the real ♥Q I've found several times that bidding 5♠ is wrong with a client :)

[2200]

it's only a junior tournament. i suspect north was just unaware of the option of showing extra length as the queen there.

I'm sorry but I think North is THE Klukowski, the guy who won the Bermuda Bowl first then play the junior tourney.

[shyams]

I'm sorry but I think North is THE Klukowski, the guy who won the Bermuda Bowl first then play the junior tourney.

It doesn't mean South is THE Gawrys who could interpret "THE Klukowski" and what he intended as the meaning of the bid. Does it?

[MrAce]

It doesn't mean South is THE Gawrys who could interpret "THE Klukowski" and what he intended as the meaning of the bid. Does it?

 

What you say is irrelevant. Whether S was Gawrys or someone else, 5♠ would show the Q and 5♥ would not. Neither would know whether he really have the Q or 5+ ♥ support.

 

Anyway, entire problem with this hand is that the wrong side asked the RKCB. If 2+Q is not enough for you to bid slam, and that will put you above your 5 level, then DON"T ask RKCB.

 

I have to admit though, asking RKCB by North, would not help much either if missing keycard was the K of trumps, due to 11 card ♥ fit.

[Cyberyeti]

What you say is irrelevant. Whether S was Gawrys or someone else, 5♠ would show the Q and 5♥ would not. Neither would know whether he really have the Q or 5+ ♥ support.

 

Anyway, entire problem with this hand is that the wrong side asked the RKCB. If 2+Q is not enough for you to bid slam, and that will put you above your 5 level, then DON"T ask RKCB.

 

I have to admit though, asking RKCB by North, would not help much either if missing keycard was the K of trumps, due to 11 card ♥ fit.

 

Or use 4♠ as your ace ask so the 2+ reply is 5♥

[The_Badger]

It's imaginative to reply 5♠ because of the extra ♥ length, but that's not what you have been asked to do.

 

South (even with the aceless hand - not really the one to be using RKCB) was "in control" (or so he thought) never expecting a response beyond 5♥ as he had the ♥Q.

 

There are plenty of South hands that can be constructed where 6♥ is off by using your imagination of replying 5♠, and not just this one.

 

Or, at the very best giving yourself a 50% or so chance or making/going down depending on the ♥ split. And that's not good odds usually to bid a small slam, but it happens :)

[Cyberyeti]

It's imaginative to reply 5♠ because of the extra ♥ length, but that's not what you have been asked to do.

 

South (even with the aceless hand - not really the one to be using RKCB) was "in control" (or so he thought) never expecting a response beyond 5♥ as he had the ♥Q.

 

There are plenty of South hands that can be constructed where 6♥ is off by using your imagination of replying 5♠, and not just this one.

 

Or, at the very best giving yourself a 50% or so chance or making/going down depending on the ♥ split. And that's not good odds usually to bid a small slam, but it happens :)

 

This is utterly wrong, it's 100% normal to show the extra length, partner is just as likely to have Kxxxx where the extra trumps are crucial.

[apollo1201]

There is always a lot to say for showing it on this position, even with the real ♥Q I've found several times that bidding 5♠ is wrong with a client :)

😂

 

It reminds me of stories told by friends (who obviously play much better than me)

[Phil]

LOL I guess.

 

North didn't show the hQ because there was a huge chance partner held it anyway, so responding 5S had everything to lose and very little to gain, even if he feeled it.

[rmnka447]

It may also be that in cueing controls North became concerned that there might be 2 As missing. We can't tell if that was possible without the actual auctions.