Some People Think I'm Bonkers

[eagles123]

(p) 2d (multi) (p)

 

 

k876532

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a32

qj3

 

 

imps against bbo randoms

 

 

love all

[Cyberyeti]

I bid 2♥ if I play there undoubled I'll settle for that, if anybody doubles I bid 2♠.

[shyams]

I presume "weak only" multi?

 

If yes, I pass! I use the information ambiguity of the 2♦ multi to my advantage.

[jogs]

Was your pard a random also? If not you should be allowed to bid 2♠ to play.

[johnu]

Was your pard a random also? If not you should be allowed to bid 2♠ to play.

 

2♠ is usually played as pass or correct to hearts. I don't think you want to know the answer to who was the random if you bid 2♠ in a pass or correct auction.

[jogs]

2♠ is usually played as pass or correct to hearts. I don't think you want to know the answer to who was the random if you bid 2♠ in a pass or correct auction.

2♥ is pass or correct to spades. Spades is higher ranking than hearts. I suggest it should be: don't care what you got. I got lots of spades.

[sfi]

2♥ is pass or correct to spades. Spades is higher ranking than hearts. I suggest it should be: don't care what you got. I got lots of spades.

 

You're in a pretty small minority with that agreement. Most people would like to bid 2S with something like:

 

x

Axxx

KQxx

Axxx

 

Where you want to play in 2S or 4H depending on partner's major.

[msjennifer]

2H. Some may bid 2S but partner's bid is going to be 3H,unless his hand is a strong NT .Think twice if one wants to play in 2 H,3H or 3S. Those who bid 2S must keep in mind that it has no relation to the number of cards held in spade suit.In a way the 2S bid shows a dislike for spade but willingness to play in 3 H if that is partners suit.With no desire to play in 3H one just bids 2H and that's the end of it.

[1eyedjack]

Some may bid 2S

-1, I'm afraid. I cannot imagine anyone bidding 2S on that.

[msjennifer]

-1, I'm afraid. I cannot imagine anyone bidding 2S on that.

HAHa.Well! jogs ,for one ,did bid 2S and expected his partner to pass.I politely suggest that those, who think that 2S is a sign off ,better switch to weak two in majors rather than play multi 2D.

[msjennifer]

You're in a pretty small minority with that agreement. Most people would like to bid 2S with something like:

 

x

Axxx

KQxx

Axxx

 

Where you want to play in 2S or 4H depending on partner's major.

Sir,you have given the exact clarification and given a very illustrative hand to all those who play multi 2D ,without knowing the further development, just for the heck of it.

[helene_t]

2S is possible if you have the agreement that 2♠ followed by 3♠ is to play. This is a sensible agreement. At least, you need to have some way to bid a hand like this, and 2♥ or pass are not satisfactory.

 

Without having discussed this, you need to bid 2♥ (or pass). But I think this shows that maybe it is not such a good idea to play multi in a nonregular partnership.

[661_Pete]

Well, looks like every E-W pair (the above hand was West's) who played in a contract went down, so it looks like heads-you-win, tails-I-lose as far as West's concerned! Whether this says anything in support of natural bidding - in particular acol weak two's - I don't know. A whopping misfit, whatever.

[Tramticket]

2♠ is not natural it is showing a hand that is prepared to play at the three-level opposite a weak two in hearts. With no disrespect jogs, I'm guessing that you don't play a multi?

 

Assuming partner has a weak-two in hearts the hand is a mis-fit. It's best to keep the auction low and bid the obvious 2♥. I quite like shyams's 2♦ but, as he observes, this only works with a weak-only multi. Our version of the multi includes strong options.

[Zelandakh]

How about a corollary question. You are playing RONF and partner opens a weak 2♥ in second seat with the opps passing. What is your response?

 

And yes, pass opposite a weak + strong multi is fairly bonkers imho. With both opps passing partner could easily have a strong variant here which might mean your side playing in 2♦ with 7♣ on.

[Cyberyeti]

As many people have said, you can't bid 2♠ unless you have the agreement that 2♠ then 3/4♠ is natural, and even then it's a dubious action.

 

Pass is embarrassing when partner has Qxx, KQJ109x, x, Jxx or similar

[The_Badger]

hi Rowland,

 

big LOL! what you did was a bit Wackojacky! :)

 

( Ok, fellow commentators I admit I sourced the hand involved from hand records, and it made me smile :) )

 

Not sure how you play your multi, (weak twos + one strong hand?) but I'll give you a +1 for innovation, as statistically the stronger hand turns up once in a blue moon compared to the nearly ubiquitous scruffy weak twos.

 

Do I think you are 'bonkers', mate? Not in the least, as when you have a potential misfit the best way is to STOP bidding as soon as possible.

 

It probably confused the opponents more than your partner. As a 'distributional' 3NT is on for North/South if well played, maybe a return of -0.33 IMPs was a bit of an unfair result.

 

Good luck with your bridge :)

[wank]

if the multi contains a strong hand, i wouldn't pass here. you only have 10 points and opps are passing away. the chance that p has the strong option is not negligible.

[manudude03]

I would bid 2H. I think 2D-2S-3H-3S should be invitational and this hand isn't strong enough.

[jogs]

2♠ is not natural it is showing a hand that is prepared to play at the three-level opposite a weak two in hearts. With no disrespect jogs, I'm guessing that you don't play a multi?

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You're right. Not allowed to play multi in most ACBL events.

[Caitlynne]

Though I know there are many variations of multi - it is not like there is a widely recognized standard - I do think that you must bid 2H unless you think you have enough for the artificial force of 2NT. After all, as I understand the multi response structure, a bid of any number of spades guarantees 3 card heart support.

 

I don't think you do have enough for 2NT. So I would bid 2H. If this gets passed out, it might work out. If it gets doubled, I will run to 2S which, as I understand, is a command for partner to Pass for the remainder of the auction.

[mr1303]

2H for me. Hating it, but 2S will get me too high.

[helene_t]

Though I know there are many variations of multi - it is not like there is a widely recognized standard - I do think that you must bid 2H unless you think you have enough for the artificial force of 2NT. After all, as I understand the multi response structure, a bid of any number of spades guarantees 3 card heart support.

This is not necesarily so - you can also bid 2♠ with 1-2 in the majors and a good hand, or maybe by agreement with spades only (but, as manudude says, this should be a hand with at least invitational strength probably), or maybe you have agreed that it cal also be a weak hand with long clubs and tolerance for spades but not for hearts.

 

In any case, bidding 2♠ will take you past 2♠ while pass or 2♥ will allow you to bid 2♠ after they double you. It is of course possible that 3♠ (doubled or not) is better than 2♥ undoubled, but the risk that p misunderstands 2♠ followed by 3♠, plus the chance that opps will save us from 2♥, makes me to bid 2♥ also. It is also possible that 2♥ is not a bad contract.

 

As for pass, I think the hand is too good. 2♦-4 is a bad result if opps can't make anything.

[Jinksy]

2S is possible if you have the agreement that 2♠ followed by 3♠ is to play. This is a sensible agreement. At least, you need to have some way to bid a hand like this, and 2♥ or pass are not satisfactory.

 

Even if I have that agreement, I'm bidding 2♥. Bidding 2 then 3 spades is a 'come double me' auction, and my spade suit is nowhere near robust enough for that. I'm much more interested in playing undoubled than getting to the best partscore.

[661_Pete]

maybe a return of -0.33 IMPs was a bit of an unfair result.

I've given up labelling any sort of IMPs result on BBO as 'unfair'.

 

Far too often I've made what I consider a 'good' game, only to bag a negative IMP score. Trouble is, some oaf at another table will have made a monstrous sacrifice, doubled and going umpteen down, and that simply distorts the figures. I can't force my opponents to sacrifice....!

 

Anyway, back to the OP: for those who can't be bothered to seek out the actual board on BBO, here are the E-W hands:

[hv=pc=n&w=sk876532hda32cqj3&e=sjhkjt943dj96c542]266|100[/hv]

As you've probably guessed, W passed and 2♦ was the final contract. Trumps broke 4-3 but they still went down -4. An IMPs score of -0.33 looks reasonable to me. If I'd been playing, it would have ended up at -15 or thereabouts.... :(