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1. 3 game try

2. pass, 3 may make

 

What do you ask your pd with game try? What should he evaluate when accepting or denying?

 

Txxx

Qxx

Axxx

xx

 

is this good to accept?

 

KJxx

Qxx

Kx

xxxx

 

or is this bad enough to reject?

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Was 'Pass' a non-specific game try ?

Over 3 I'd say the mixed raiser should evaluate on min/max, Spade tops, Heart fit, A, K less so and club shortage.

 

Maybe 3 was an overbid.

 

Pass is what you agreed it to be. Some play it the weakest bid. Some play 3 by overcaller to be the weakest bid (I am one of them, because pass creates space) So yes, I play pass as non-specific game try.

 

 

3 when 3 or pass was available, should be something about hearts I guess.

 

I brought this up because I believe this is something that pairs may need to discuss among themselves. For example, when we pass, pd now can bid 3 red, or redouble to show,,,what? Club shortness maybe? Idk tbh!

 

Jxxx

Qxx

Kxxxx

x

 

I think this is too strong for preemptive 3 and not good enough for a cue. Because they opened 1 does not really mean they have values in that suit.

3, an overbid or not, does not really seem to help my pd what to evaluate on this hand.

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Good question, I always assumed they showed a hand equal to 7-9 balanced. So hands with a singleton would be around 5-7

 

Yeah, that is also what I think. I mean any hand whether balanced or unbalanced which is too strong for preemptive 3M and not good enough for cue.

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Pass is what you agreed it to be. Some play it the weakest bid. Some play 3 by overcaller to be the weakest bid (I am one of them, because pass creates space) So yes, I play pass as non-specific game try.

 

 

3 when 3 or pass was available, should be something about hearts I guess.

 

I brought this up because I believe this is something that pairs may need to discuss among themselves. For example, when we pass, pd now can bid 3 red, or redouble to show,,,what? Club shortness maybe? Idk tbh!

 

Jxxx

Qxx

Kxxxx

x

 

I think this is too strong for preemptive 3 and not good enough for a cue. Because they opened 1 does not really mean they have values in that suit.

3, an overbid or not, does not really seem to help my pd what to evaluate on this hand.

 

Can you not bid 3 as a response to 1 with this ? or is this some other form of raise

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Can you not bid 3 as a response to 1 with this ? or is this some other form of raise

 

I was playing with GIB, Cyber, and I do not know what GIB plays it. Probably natural strong hand with diamonds.

 

With my regular partners, I play 3!D as fit (4+) + natural but stronger than this hand.

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IMP pairs, opponents play 2/1

3 =7-9 4 card fit.

Q1 = What do you bid?

Q2 =If you pass, pd bids 3, what do you bid now?[/hv]

After 3 (Double), I rank

  1. 3 = Happy to play 3 opposite 4 s and 7-9 HCP.
  2. Pass = Slightly weaker than a direct 3 (Some players reverse the meanings of these 2 calls).
  3. 3 = Trial (over-)bid.
  4. 4 = Brave, but pass is a bet that you make exactly nine tricks.

After parter bids 3, I rank.

  1. Pass = Should make.
  2. 4 = See above.

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hi Timo (MrAce)

 

I'm a firm believer that you make trial bids (3) in suits that you need help, not headed by the AK. Opener could well have 0445 shape. With 1444 I'd be opening 1. So personally I'd bid 3 as quickly as possible. The hand comes out at a tad over 14 on Kaplan/Rubens, but with 5332 and a fair chance of a 4-0 break, I'll be content to make 3.

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Partners all points must be working points .He forced you to bid 3 S ..Why did he not bid himself? The answer is that he does not know the strength of overcall.Your overcall may be based on lead direction and could be made even missing the HK.My bid is 3 H to show a concentration in Heart suit and a very good overcall.Now whatever he bids is final.In the second sequence,which I refuse to accept ,my answer is Pass since he could have redoubled also and forced me to decide.
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Partners all points must be working points .He forced you to bid 3 S ..Why did he not bid himself? The answer is that he does not know the strength of overcall.Your overcall may be based on lead direction and could be made even missing the HK.My bid is 3 H to show a concentration in Heart suit and a very good overcall.Now whatever he bids is final.In the second sequence,which I refuse to accept ,my answer is Pass since he could have redoubled also and forced me to decide.

 

Ok what do you want him to bid with hands like

 

KJxx

QJx

Qx

xxxx

 

or

 

KJxx

xxxx

xx

KQx

 

over your 3? Bidding 3 will never solve any problems. You do not even want to be at 3 level and game is hopeless, while....

 

 

JTxx

Qxxx

Axx

xx

 

is very decent and looking at a finesse.

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with no wastage in clubs i think your partner owed you more than 3s.

 

i think that's what XX should show.

 

KJxx

QJx

Qxxx

xx

 

has no wastage in clubs either. Max of a mix raise. Yet it is a hopeless game.

 

KJxx

QJxx

Qx

xxx

 

has no wastage, max of a mix raise, but even 3 is too high.

 

xxxx

Qxx

Axxx

Qx

 

has wastage, not a good game but is not as hopeless as others.

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3C has forced to 3S, so fast arrival says that bidding 3S immediately is the weakest action. You could have less for your overcall - quite a bit less in some styles - so you should not bid 3S. With nothing worth showing, Pass is indicated.

 

As the 3C bidder, once partner passes having shown a non-minimum overcall, the 3C bidder must judge what to do. 3S is to play opposite a normal sound overcall.

 

So, the 1S bidder having shown a normal sound overcall must pass 3S, respecting partner's decision.

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3C has forced to 3S, so fast arrival says that bidding 3S immediately is the weakest action. You could have less for your overcall - quite a bit less in some styles - so you should not bid 3S. With nothing worth showing, Pass is indicated.

 

As the 3C bidder, once partner passes having shown a non-minimum overcall, the 3C bidder must judge what to do. 3S is to play opposite a normal sound overcall.

 

So, the 1S bidder having shown a normal sound overcall must pass 3S, respecting partner's decision.

 

Are you and MsJennifer actually reading what has been written so far, or are you just clicking on topics and writing something for writing something?

 

If you two think this topic was to inform people there is a difference between mix raise and preemptive raise, people already know it. If you two think that the hand in OP should make some sort of try by either passing or bidding 3 over DBL, this is already done as you see in OP.

 

Of course 3 bidder must judge what to do, that is the purpose of this topic at the first place. What has been being debated here is which criterias should 3 bid take into consideration when making his/her judgement.

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Could anyone explain what is over caller's partner supposed to bid holding xxxx,Qxxx,AKxx,x ?.Did some one say 4S and not 3C?.A game is cold unless of course over callers LHO holds all four missing trumps.A 3H bid by overcaller and 4S is automatic.
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Could anyone explain what is over caller's partner supposed to bid holding xxxx,Qxxx,AKxx,x ?.Did some one say 4S and not 3C?.A game is cold unless of course over callers LHO holds all four missing trumps.A 3H bid by overcaller and 4S is automatic.

 

 

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