ahydra Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 Assume love all at IMPs (this was just a casual game really). Basic system Acol (4cM weak NT), no fancy methods. ♠A10x♥K10x♦AQJ9xx♣x You open 1D in first seat, partner responds 1H, opponents silent. What's your second call? ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 3♦, after upgrading for spots and a good holding in partner's suit. I'd rather overbid than underbid. I wonder what partner will say if this hand is dummy in 3NT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 I very rarely upgrade with 14 in this auction, but I would have with this one. 3♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 I very rarely upgrade with 14 in this auction, but I would have with this one. 3♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 I agree with 3♦ in Acol. Note also that this is a hand type that benefits from playing an unbalanced diamond, where one can painlessly use a 2NT rebid to show precisely this hand, a raise to 3 of partner's suit with 3 card support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 I agree with 3♦ in Acol. Note also that this is a hand type that benefits from playing an unbalanced diamond, where one can painlessly use a 2NT rebid to show precisely this hand, a raise to 3 of partner's suit with 3 card support.Without playing fancy methods I simply raise hearts with such hands and in my experience had rarely cause for regret. Yes it is possible that we belong in 3NT or diamonds and partner will not move. But it is also possible that a part-score in hearts is our best contract or that we will miss game in hearts over 3♦. It does not pay to be too aggressive at love all. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted July 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 The thing with 3D is, how do you find a 5-3 heart fit? That's what worries me the most on this kind of hand - partner may well just bid 3NT with a 3523 or similar and it goes off where 4H is cold. ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 So don't bid 3♦. In my view the hand is not strong enough for that, but more to the point partner is 4+ hearts (length unspecified) and you have 3 card support where the moysian fit (if there is one) works because you have immediate ruffs in the short hand. 2♥ is the obvious bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 The thing with 3D is, how do you find a 5-3 heart fit? That's what worries me the most on this kind of hand - partner may well just bid 3NT with a 3523 or similar and it goes off where 4H is cold.It is a concern, yes. I am open to suggestions. I am leery of bidding 2♥ because it is a (minor) mistatement of both length and strength, whereas 3♦ is only a (minor) mistatement of strength. There are probably cases where it prevents us from reaching 5♦ or 6♦ when we should, but I suspect this is less likely than missing the 5-3 heart fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 So don't bid 3♦. In my view the hand is not strong enough for that, but more to the point partner is 4+ hearts (length unspecified) and you have 3 card support where the moysian fit (if there is one) works because you have immediate ruffs in the short hand. 2♥ is the obvious bid. For us I don't bid 3♦ for a different reason. We have 2 3♦ bids, direct and via a gameforcing 2N, so 3♦ is limited and we shade it a bit so while it's fine for strength it's more likely to be passed with 4♥ on than playing more standard methods. Also because of this 2♦ is out of the question. 2♥ is what I'd bid if the Q♦ was a small one, and I think I'd do it here, if there is a heart game on, partner at least knows there is a fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 The thing with 3D is, how do you find a 5-3 heart fit? That's what worries me the most on this kind of hand - partner may well just bid 3NT with a 3523 or similar and it goes off where 4H is cold. There are no guarantees, but I like to play 3♠ over 3♦ as concern about either or both of the black suits. Opener can bid 3N with something in both of them or something particularly substantial in either. Here with only a single stop between the two (and it being an ace), I'd then bid 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramticket Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 It's close for me. if you bid 3♦, you risk not finding a possible heart game. If you rebid 2♥, you might even miss a diamond slam. If forced to choose, I think i bid 2♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 I really dont understand 2h it seems like the underbid to beat all underbids. i would go 3d, surely if p is like 2533 or something he can just bid 3h forcing anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 I would assume he has at least 6 reasonable hearts for a 3♥ bid over 3♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nullve Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 1N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rval Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Nobody likes 1S? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiros Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 The fact that so few others have voted for 2♦ is a bit surprising. The 2♦ rebid has a range and our hand happens to be at the very top of it. However good it looks for the red suits, a 3♦ rebid has a lower limit and this hand is below it. Yes, I know that rebidding 2♦ drops a cold 3NT when partner has ♠xxx ♥Axxx ♦Kx ♣J109x. I am willing to take the risk. On most deals where game is good, partner will keep the bidding going and we don't need to be pushy to go after a nonvulnerable game. Raising to 2♥ could certainly work out, but if we get another call after 2♦ we'll be nicely placed to show the heart support then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 However good it looks for the red suits, a 3♦ rebid has a lower limit and this hand is below it.Clearly a large portion of the BBF poster base disagree with your hand evaluation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 Assume love all at IMPs (this was just a casual game really). Basic system Acol (4cM weak NT), no fancy methods. ♠A10x♥K10x♦AQJ9xx♣x You open 1D in first seat, partner responds 1H, opponents silent. What's your second call? ahydra I will try 2h, option2=2d sometimes I have max rebid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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