both majors

[eagles123]

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3d = preempt

 

imps

 

 

I thought it was pretty clear to drive to game on this hand vul at imps, but I polled on BW and the majority favoured 3s so interested in opinion from here!

 

 

 

cheers

 

Eagles

[masse24]

3♠ for me too. Though I don't hate 4♦.

 

It's close.

[Trinidad]

I don't agree with your spoiler that it is "pretty clear". However, I would bid 4♦ for fairly practical reasons:

 

It makes partner (the strong hand) declarer.

It put us in the best major.

It puts the doubler (the opponents' strong hand) on lead.

 

This all means that I would guess that we get a trick more than when I bid 3♠. And whether we go down 1 in 3♠ by me or down 1 in 4♥ by partner doesn't matter, but if we happen to be able to make our contract, then it does make a big difference.

 

The two biggest drawbacks of bidding 4♦ are that partner might

- get overly enthusiastic.

- make the wrong decision over their 5♦.

 

Those drawbacks are why I don't think it is "pretty clear", but I would bid 4♦ anyway.

 

Rik

[Zelandakh]

These types of hands come up often on Master Solver panels and they tend to show a clear sea-change in bidding philosophy. As a general rule, all of the younger panel members along with those that are still playing at the top level will tend to prefer the call that gets them to the best strain even if that might well put them a level higher than they would like to be. It is not so much that bidding game is clear so much as the strain issue. If we had to bid a major directly, I daresay most would prefer 3♠ to 4. However 4♦ offers a little of both and is what I would expect to be the majority choice.

[billw55]

The SJ Simon rule points to 4♦. Against that, opener is behind my partner. In deals with two strong hands, this positional advantage is often large.

 

In general when I am uncertain, I prefer to lose by overbidding than by underbidding. So 4♦.

 

But yes I think it is close.

[MrAce]

3♠

[MrAce]

3♠

[Trinidad]

3♠

3♠

I think 6♠ is somewhat of an overbid. :P

 

Rik

[kuhchung]

I thought 4D was clear

 

i guess the concern is partner has the big balanced hand and 4D drives us too far, whereas we can go 3S 4H since we just expect partner to go again

[MrAce]

I think 6♠ is somewhat of an overbid. :P

 

Rik

 

Yea I know, my mouse has double click issues.

[rmnka447]

I'm an old geezer, so 3 ♠ for me.

[Winstonm]

I think 3S puts too much pressure on partner to find a winning call - after all, you may have bid 3S on a hand with much less playing strength. I think 4D overstates the hand so I'm left with either 4H or 4S. I chose 4S.

[jogs]

This hand only has 3 HCP. Only 1 diamond. Partner is likely to have 2 or fewer diamonds.

Whether we bid 3♠ or 4♦, LHO is likely to rebid 5♦. They do have half the deck and 10 to 12 diamonds.

Fear after 4♦, partner would expect this hand to be stronger.

[wank]

i also think it's pretty clear to bid 4d

[ggwhiz]

I'm sold on 4♦

 

That said I have casual partners where this bid is unsafe as they will definitely bid to the moon.

[nige1]

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3d = preempt

imps

 

I thought it was pretty clear to drive to game on this hand vul at imps, but I polled on BW and the majority favoured 3s so interested in opinion from here!

[/hv]

I rank

• 4♦ UCB but it requires that the partnership rate getting to the right marginal game as more important than partscore or or slam. If you cue-bid with weak shapely hands, partner must be wary of slam-tries.
• 3♠ NF and should not over-excite partner,

[mike777]

3s seems clear how much worse could I be.

[wank]

3s seems clear how much worse could I be.

 

2 hearts, 1 spade and the king

 

if we're not making game, the opps are probably making something

[mike777]

2 hearts, 1 spade and the king

 

 

Be not afraid...dont play partner for perfect cards

Dont play partner for worst cards.Not sure how you play partner for only 3 major suit cards on this auction but ok.

[Trinidad]

3s seems clear how much worse could I be.

You could have 4 losers more than you have and a misfit for partner. That is a lot worse than what you have.

 

Rik

[Trinidad]

I think 4D overstates the hand so I'm left with either 4H or 4S.

That is only true if 4♦ promises more than game. I think 4♦ shows the same playing strength as 4M (possibly less because of the flexibility it offers).

 

Rik

[1eyedjack]

3S is right if it does not get passed out. Trouble is the higher the level that this takes place, the higher the likelihood of it being passed out. You KNOW that you want to be in 4M. The cost times likelihood of partner making a wrong 5 level decision is lower in my view than the prospect of languishing in 3S

[The_Badger]

hi Rowland,

 

To me, 3♠ is a BridgeLoser's bid :( [i'm really surprised that the majority of players on BridgeWinners opted for this.] There's a likelihood that the auction will die in 3♠. It ain't forcing. Period.

 

And there's no indication that the 1♦ opener can compete further, and South with his pre-emptive 3♦ hand really isn't in a strong position to gauge whether competing further or sacrificing is an option.

 

So if we don't drive to game with 4♦ we might not get another chance. North had an opportunity to bid again to muddy the waters, so let him decide at the 5 level vulnerable whether he wants to sacrifice against 4♥ or 4♠.

 

Just a small final consideration, over our 4♦ bid South might by either "Passing" or "Doubling" help North gauge whether a sacrifice is prudent, but only very experienced players might have this "Inference Bid" in their armoury.

[billw55]

I am less worried about ops bidding 5♦ than some others are. One op already preempted; the other passed an opportunity to do so; opener is likely to have some defense; and they are vul at IMPs, not a great time to take a dive.

[Caitlynne]

I am bidding 3S. 4D could work out - and if it does, it will be because of good luck - but it is a huge overbid that can cause partner to turn a plus score into a minus score. It is the type of bid that VERY poor players routinely make and later congratulate themselves for when it works (as it far too often does) wallowing in ignorance of the disaster that it might have created.

 

But 4D does not make allowance for the fact that the range of possibilities for partner's hand is huge. Double might be made on a light shapely hand or a good to very powerful balanced hand or a sound to rock solid good shapely hand. If you will bid 4D on junk and a good hand, how will partner know when to move?

 

That is, for example, how will partner know you have KTxxx, xxxxx, x, xx instead of KJxx, Axxx, xxx, Qx? What should partner do if he/she should hold something like AQxx, Kxx, x, AKJxx? Opposite your hand, partner will surely bid 4S and that will be enough; indeed, it might even (i.e., is fairly likely to) go down when the Ace of hearts is with the opening bidder and the opponents can arrange to lead through the King of hearts (which they can almost always arrange to do but sometimes will fail to do). Opposite the second hand, 6S is almost unbeatable.