helene_t Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 http://tinyurl.com/hz86nnk pass-1♠2♦-2♥pass Making 12 tricks. OK with this hand it might not have been crazy to rebid 3♥. But seriously - even in Acol, 2♥ would be forcing. And even if it is nonforcing it is ridicolous to pass with this hand. Same in contested auctions:1♠-(2♣)-2♦-(pass)2♥-(pass)-pass That, too, would be forcing in Acol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestar13 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 The way I learned, opener's non-jump rebid of a new suit is not forcing after a passed hand 2/1--which might be a good 8 count. 1♠-2♦-2♥ by an unpassed hand is forcing is almost any system, even assuming 2♦ isn't game forcing t begin with. So I think there is a set of hands where P-1♠-2♦-2♥-P is the correct bidding sequence. This hand sure as h-e-double-hockey-sticks is not part of this set. Maybe you could argue 3♥ vs 4♥ (I would bid 4)-- it depends on how light the standards are for a third seat opening. But pass is inconceivable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 I think the culprit here is the description (and presumably GIB's understanding) of 2♥. Why is it limited to 15 total points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 I think the culprit here is the description (and presumably GIB's understanding) of 2♥. Why is it limited to 15 total points?If it is NF it must presumably be limited to 15 points. I find this a very strange system. What's wrong with just playing SAYC as a passed hand? I.e. a 2/1 response is forcing on responder. That would be consistent with 2/1 philosophy while allowing for light 3rd seat openings. If 1♥ is limited to 15 points, it means you have to make jump rebids with only 5-4 and with bad texture. This goes against the 2/1 philosophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 I think North treats the bids as non-forcing because it's limited to 15 points, not that it's limited to 15 points because it's intended to be non-forcing. I wonder (cue: Lycier) whether the explanation of 3♥ would have been 16-22 or an internally-inconsistent 19-22. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 2♦ is a sick bid by GIB. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 I think North treats the bids as non-forcing because it's limited to 15 points, not that it's limited to 15 points because it's intended to be non-forcing. I wonder (cue: Lycier) whether the explanation of 3♥ would have been 16-22 or an internally-inconsistent 19-22. [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?sn=Robot&s=SK8752HKT753DATCA&wn=Robot&w=SQJ943HA9DQJ6CKJ6&nn=Robot&n=SAHJ642DK9753CQ75&en=Robot&e=ST6HQ8D842CT98432&d=n&v=o&b=1&a=PP1S(Major%20suit%20opening%20--%205+%20%21S%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points)P2D(Non-game-forcing%20two-over-one%20--%205+%20%21D%3B%202-%20%21S%3B%2010-11%20HCP%3B%2012-%20total%20points)P3H(4+%20%21H%3B%205+%20%21S%3B%2014-21%20HCP%3B%2015-22%20total%20points%3B%20forcing%20to%203N)P4H(5+%20%21D%3B%204+%20%21H%3B%202-%20%21S%3B%2010-11%20HCP%3B%2012-%20total%20points)PPP&p=C6C7C2CAS7SJSAS6D3D2DAD6S2S3H2STH4H8HTHAS4D9HQS8CTH5CJC5H7H9HJC8CQC9H3CKS5SQH6C3DKD8DTDJD7D4HKDQSKS9D5C4]400|300[/hv] FirstAfter 2♦ :2♥= New suit --- 4+♥,5+♠,11+HCP,12-15TPs3♥= 4+♥,5+♠,14-21HCP,15-22TPs,forcing to 3N How to distinguish with the two different 15TPs?Here I think actually Gib CC Gib is following are :2♥= New suit --- 4+♥,5+♠,11-13HCP.3♥= 4+♥,5+♠,14-21HCP,forcing to 3N. Second 2♦ is a worst systemic bidding, just like a beginner's CC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iandayre Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 The funny thing is, had GIB responded 1NT and partner rebid 2H, there is no way it would have passed. I expect it would have bid 4, but certainly at least 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 The funny thing is, had GIB responded 1NT and partner rebid 2H, there is no way it would have passed. I expect it would have bid 4, but certainly at least 3. Yes.So I would better take north seat ,after bidding 1nt, I left table and let Gib go on playing. [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?sn=Robot&s=SK8752HKT753DATCA&wn=Robot&w=SQJ943HA9DQJ6CKJ6&nn=Robot&n=SAHJ642DK9753CQ75&en=Robot&e=ST6HQ8D842CT98432&d=n&v=o&b=1&a=PP1S(Major%20suit%20opening%20--%205+%20%21S%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points)P1N(2-%20%21S%3B%206-11%20HCP%3B%2012-%20total%20points)P2H(New%20suit%20--%204+%20%21H%3B%205+%20%21S%3B%2011+%20HCP%3B%2012-18%20total%20points)P4H(4+%20%21H%3B%202-%20%21S%3B%2011-%20HCP%3B%2011-12%20total%20points)PPP&p=DQD3D8DAS2S4SASTH6HQHKHASQH2S6S8C7C4CAC6H3H9HJH8C5C2HTCJDTD6DKD4D9D2H7DJS7S3H4C9D7CTS5SJD5C8H5S9SKCKCQC3]400|300[/hv]Result : 4♥S+2 North Gib really bid up to 4♥, very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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