kenberg Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 After the 2NT bid, was a 4H transfer to spades not an option? KR suggested 2NT. I like it but I was unsure of what I ould do over a 3H transfer to spades. But I mentioned that woith a 4H transfer to spades I would accept and play in my 6-1 fit. This hand certainly is an advertisement for Texas Transfers. Yes I realize that 4S can be beaten if S leads the daimond Jact to N's K, gets his club ruff and then leads a small diamond to N's T for another ruff but You are presumably not playing against the psychically gifted. I claim partial credit for realizing N had to (almost had to) have some spades but I never did figure out what I was going to do if after 2NT partner bid 3H. And, for that matter, I still don't know. With my stiff A I am not super-accepting anything. In practical terms you obviously will not like 3NT played W pn a plausible on a diamond lead. 4S making a lot, absent a diamond underlead lead of the ace that can only happen in a fantasy, seems right. that being said, thank you for the very intersting hand and thank you for showing how it worked out inpractice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 I can see after a 3c overcall, east will try for slam a very interesting thread with lots of good comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 After the 2NT bid, was a 4H transfer to spades not an option? I have this option but that does not solve anything. Pd can start 3♥ instead of 4♥ for many reasons such as starting to describe a big 2 suiter or starting a slamish auction and planning to cue hearts next etc. This is exactly why I would never start 2 NT. But if i did, I would just simply complete the transfer and bid 3♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfroeli Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 To me 3 or 4 H seems to be a good bid since p is showing 6 and you have 3 honors to AK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msjennifer Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 I would bet a lot that the full hand will give 1 of a few dozen reasons.Sorry.I don't like to bet as I never do it.I think I have answered all reasons in my reply.It is not possible to reply in detail as you have not enumerated those dozen reasons.Just wait and watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msjennifer Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Clearly, 3NT could be the right spot on this hand. But equally clearly, playing in clubs at some level could be right. Since I can't see the other hands and I do not have a truly magical crystal ball, you have to make a reasoned choice. Overall, bidding 3NT is taking a position. Partner will rarely move even with a hand with scattered values. And then you could easily miss a slam. Or you could get a spade lead (or a diamond lead) and be beaten in 3NT when partner does not have spade help and diamond coverage (or diamond coverage including the Ace and and a club card). Another problem with 3NT - though not a likely peril on this hand - is if LHO raises hearts. Now what will you do? If you double - which is clearly penalty oriented - partner may have long bad spades and bid 4S on you, turning your plus score into a minus. I think the best chance of landing on your feet and in the correct strain is to bid your long suit. If partner has a club card and a few scattered values, partner likely will bid 3H to ask for a heart stopper, and now you have an easy conversion to 3NT. If partner bids 3S or 3D - neither of which is particularly unlikely - you can just continue with 3NT anyway - taking the chance that partner has some values in the fourth suit. So overcalling in clubs does not preclude getting to game in No Trump - but it does increase the chances that it is the right contract when you do. Finally, if partner raises clubs (or pulls 3NT after a 3H bid), you can cue bid to look for slam. If partner passes you in 3C, you are unlikely to be missing a game (although that is certainly possible). But even then, not vulnerable, it is not a disaster and not likely to be a substantial loss either. Finally, 3C is advantaged if LHO competes in hearts (usually to 3H given your heart holding). After 3H is passed back to you (or if partner speaks up with 3S), you have an easy 3NT rebid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msjennifer Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Clearly, 3NT could be the right spot on this hand. But equally clearly, playing in clubs at some level could be right. Since I can't see the other hands and I do not have a truly magical crystal ball, you have to make a reasoned choice. Overall, bidding 3NT is taking a position. Partner will rarely move even with a hand with scattered values. And then you could easily miss a slam. Or you could get a spade lead (or a diamond lead) and be beaten in 3NT when partner does not have spade help and diamond coverage (or diamond coverage including the Ace and and a club card). Another problem with 3NT - though not a likely peril on this hand - is if LHO raises hearts. Now what will you do? If you double - which is clearly penalty oriented - partner may have long bad spades and bid 4S on you, turning your plus score into a minus. I think the best chance of landing on your feet and in the correct strain is to bid your long suit. If partner has a club card and a few scattered values, partner likely will bid 3H to ask for a heart stopper, and now you have an easy conversion to 3NT. If partner bids 3S or 3D - neither of which is particularly unlikely - you can just continue with 3NT anyway - taking the chance that partner has some values in the fourth suit. So overcalling in clubs does not preclude getting to game in No Trump - but it does increase the chances that it is the right contract when you do. Finally, if partner raises clubs (or pulls 3NT after a 3H bid), you can cue bid to look for slam. If partner passes you in 3C, you are unlikely to be missing a game (although that is certainly possible). But even then, not vulnerable, it is not a disaster and not likely to be a substantial loss either. Finally, 3C is advantaged if LHO competes in hearts (usually to 3H given your heart holding). After 3H is passed back to you (or if partner speaks up with 3S), you have an easy 3NT rebid.[/quoteAnd you perhaps fervently hope that they don't cash 5 /6 diamond tricks first.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 To me 3 or 4 H seems to be a good bid since p is showing 6 and you have 3 honors to AK.If you mistakenly thought that partner had opened 2H then 3H would be a gross underbid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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