My view on Brexit

[Winstonm]

Two questions:

 

1) Will Scotland and Northern Ireland now exit the U.K. and independently join the E.U.?

2) As we all agree that time travel is impossible, why is it that a 52% of the voters were persuaded that taking the U.K. back in time was a solution to anything?

[Vampyr]

Two questions:

 

1) Will Scotland and Northern Ireland now exit the U.K. and independently join the E.U.?

2) As we all agree that time travel is impossible, why is it that a 52% of the voters were persuaded that taking the U.K. back in time was a solution to anything?

 

Possibly some people knew nothing about it, and simply thought that if the status quo was being challenged, there must be a good reason for it.

 

Anyway, while defending the status quo is much less sexy than calling for radical change, the Bremainers surely needn't have run a totally uninspiring campaign.

[1eyedjack]

1) Will Scotland and Northern Ireland now exit the U.K. and independently join the E.U.?

You can't join the EU just by filling in an application form.

[Vampyr]

You can't join the EU just by filling in an application form.

 

Apparently some countries did.

[helene_t]

Apparently some countries did.

huh?

[mike777]

You can't join the EU just by filling in an application form.

 

 

Your post reflects the ignorance Americans(me) and perhaps some Brits have as to just how do you define the EU, how does it work/answer to and what standard of measurement did the Brits use to measure success or failure of the EU.

 

For example is the EU;

1) a form of world government

2) a huge and growing country/State

3) some fancy complicated economic Nafta/WTO in other words some sort of fancy trade treaty but nothing more?

4) other?

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"Anyway, while defending the status quo is much less sexy than calling for radical change, the Bremainers surely needn't have run a totally uninspiring campaign."

 

I found Boris Johnson's Dad, a big Remain advocate, on tv this morning eloquent(sp), moving, and heartfelt. I cant speak for the rest of the campaign.

[Zelandakh]

1) Will Scotland and Northern Ireland now exit the U.K. and independently join the E.U.?

Scotland very likely, Northern Ireland probably not.

 

 

2) As we all agree that time travel is impossible, why is it that a 52% of the voters were persuaded that taking the U.K. back in time was a solution to anything?

Racism combined with sheep mentality. Nothing to be proud of in my country for this decision sadly.

[mike777]

Wow so those who voted to leave are racists with sheep mentality.

[StevenG]

Racism combined with sheep mentality. Nothing to be proud of in my country for this decision sadly.

That is nonsense.

 

In general, the people who gain from the neoliberal/globalisation model voted to remain, those who have lost voted out. It's easy to sneer at the people who voted out when they are different from you (less educated, say), but you shouldn't ignore the reality that those differences disadvantage people far more than at any time in recent (post-war, say) history.

 

I don't think there is much racism left in this country. Doubtless, a small proportion voted for Brexit for racist reasons, but most see their world getting worse without any hope of change as things are - so they threw the dice.

 

I voted out. My vote was a conscious vote against neoliberalism. I suggest the vast majority of the other votes were also, in effect, a vote against neoliberalism, the difference being that they were instinctive rather than reasoned.

 

[Of course leaving the EU does not, in itself, change the neoliberal censensus in this country, but in time, it will be easier to change one country than a huge bloc.]

[cherdano]

In general, the people who gain from the neoliberal/globalisation model voted to remain, those who have lost voted out.

How did UK pensioners lose from globalisation?

[Zelandakh]

Wow so those who voted to leave are racists with sheep mentality.

Absolutely not. Not everyone that voted leave is racist but racism was very much at the heart of the Leave campaign. And sheep mentality is prevalent in all votes of this type. It is part of the process - is someone following a racist themselves racist? Clearly not. On the other hand, if you can see that the person you are following is racist and choose to sympathise with their logic that is a form of racism. And I am absolutely confident that this happened an awful lot during this referendum campaign.

[wanoff]

Absolutely not. Not everyone that voted leave is racist but racism was very much at the heart of the Leave campaign. And sheep mentality is prevalent in all votes of this type. It is part of the process - is someone following a racist themselves racist? Clearly not. On the other hand, if you can see that the person you are following is racist and choose to sympathise with their logic that is a form of racism. And I am absolutely confident that this happened an awful lot during this referendum campaign.

 

David Cameron was called a racist on 20th April in Parliament. If anyone chose to sympathise with Cameron's logic about Sadiq Khan, presumably that makes them racist as well. Dave has form, his 'Bunch of migrants' comment in January and his breaking of sanctions against South Africa in 1989 come to mind.

[Aberlour10]

OK , Brits said bye.

 

I hoped EU think deep about it , learn and reform itself in the right direction.

 

This hope is a vain hope. Today Berlin and Paris announced, they are going to build a closer political union. Are they crazy? This is, what Brits did not want, what people in all over Europe don't want, because it means still more power to Brussels, Germany and France.

[eagles123]

well I voted remain - I hope these idiots that voted leave are happy when we have 30 years of tory rule without anyone applying the breaks. going to be hell for anyone outside the elite.

[1eyedjack]

I hope these idiots that voted leave are happy when we have 30 years of tory rule without anyone applying the breaks.

Not that one group of shysters is much better than the other, in my view, but Labour does not have a good track record of applying brakes. Some people have short memories. Or are too young to remember.

[mgoetze]

Not that one group of shysters is much better than the other, in my view, but Labour does not have a good track record of applying brakes. Some people have short memories. Or are two young to remember.

Yes, in this regard the true failure was with the referendum on electoral reform. FPTP often leads to a two-party systems and two-party systems are often terrible.

[wanoff]

I hope these idiots that voted leave are happy when we have 30 years of tory rule without anyone applying the breaks. going to be hell for anyone outside the elite.

 

That's as maybe, but is there any evidence that rogue employers such as Sports Direct have been held in check by the EU ?

Zero hours contracts adversely affect many low paid workers. What is the EU's position and has it had any effect ?

[fromageGB]

Sheep mentality applies equally to both sides.

[fromageGB]

How did UK pensioners lose from globalisation?

We don't and didn't. In a sense we benefit, as our non-state pensions tend to be funded by investments in global firms. Pensioners who voted out (the majority, if you still believe pollsters) are being hurt less by the EU than the working man and woman, but that does not prevent them seeing how the common market has deteriorated into invidious central authoritarian control, which is not only getting worse, but more expensive. The impact of the imported population explosion affects everyone, though.

[1eyedjack]

Sheep mentality applies equally to both sides.

Indeed, if anything I would expect sheep to (a) follow the status quo and (b) kowtow to their political "guardians", and in this case both were aligned.

[helene_t]

Indeed, if anything I would expect sheep to (a) follow the status quo and (b) kowtow to their political "guardians", and in this case both were aligned.

© follow the advice of the tabloid press.

 

But yes, of course sheep mentality is everywhere. And it would be unreasonable to expect otherwise. Should we all study political science until we are able to form an independent, informed opinion? Some of us have other things to do. So we will end up going by gut feelings or by advice from people we trust.

[Phil]

When I read the news about Brexit I start to get rather nervous about November in the USA.

[barmar]

When I read the news about Brexit I start to get rather nervous about November in the USA.

Yeah, it's like we now live on Bizarro World, where practically anything can happen.

 

This weekend's "This American Life" had a segment with the 538.com analyst who last year predicted that Trump had no chance, based on a "likability" poll -- in the past, no one with a low likability had ever gone on to become the nominee. But when he made his famous "I'm going to build a wall" speech, his number flipped from -35 to +17.

[Al_U_Card]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayojl7Op37A