wank Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 [hv=pc=n&n=sj43hdq542ckqj632&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=1c(16%2B)p1d(0-7)3cp3sp]133|200[/hv] i was playing with quite a well known player who had this hand. i managed to totally confuse him with my bidding. what do you think i've got and what do you? your defence to a strong club X = hearts, 1D = spades, 1H = 2 suits of a colour, 1S = majors or minors, 1NT = diamonds and spades or clubs and hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 The only thing that makes sense is partner has a hand too good to overcall so this is an easy 4S call. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 I don't think that does make sense - East has opened a strong club and we've got a 9 count ourselves. Maybe East psyched his opening but I didn't think psyching an artifical opening was allowed. I would imagine this is some kind of fit bid and we have a pretty good hand so i'd go for game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix214 Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 Spades with club tolerance looks like the obvious meaning - something like id raise you in clubs, but showing my spades on the way type of a hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanoff Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 Most likely 4s, club fit, game try. Probably would accept. Or it could be a psyche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 Best guess is: AKTx...xxx...xx....ATxx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 I echo the spade club fit but I am worried about 4s.. in addition to spades and clubs p surely has some hearts which leaves little room for diamonds. Even though it is one level higherI think 5c is the safest contract and who knows maybe some greedy east with Ax AKxxx AKxx xx will x with those tram tickets :)))))))))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 the more i think about it I wonder is cueing 4h out of the question here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 This is a really weird place for partner to psyche. I thought about Eagles 4H cue too, but other than the heart void I don't think the hand is that spectacular and I do not want to telegraph the diamond lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alok c Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 What is the point of showing partner ♠control when he preempted,unless you want to play in♠? In that case,South would'nt pass in the first round.Imo South is a strong hand asking for a ♠control for North to bid 3nt or bid 4C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 To me 3♠ is a hand that wants to bid 4♣ and wants ♠ lead if they end up playing and if pd is on lead. I am never passing this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 [hv=pc=n&n=sj43hdq542ckqj632&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=1c(16%2B)p1d(0-7)3cp3sp]133|200|i was playing with quite a well known player who had this hand. i managed to totally confuse him with my bidding. what do you think i've got and what do you?your defence to a strong club X = hearts, 1D = spades, 1H = 2 suits of a colour, 1S = majors or minors, 1NT = diamonds and spades or clubs and hearts.[/hv] Wank's defence to 1♣ seems good. Conceivably, partner is interested in notrump and is showing a ♠ stop. However, I agree with everybody that partner is more likely to be showing a ♣ fit and something in ♠s. Perhaps a flattish hand like ♠ A K x x ♥ J x x x ♦ x ♣ A x x x. Now I rank5♣ = PRE. Just in case opponents have a ♥ fit. KISS.4♠ = NAT. You might consider this at MPs. But, given your methods, partner is unlikely to hold 5 ♠s. If he has 4 (or fewer) ♠s then there is a risk of losing trump-control, especially if he lacks ♠A.4♣ = NAT. Pusillanimous.4♥ = CUE. But... slam is unlikely, partner might not understand, and opponents might double to discover a massive ♥ fitPass = NAT. Unlikely to be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted June 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 [hv=pc=n&s=sakq4hj64d10742cat]133|100[/hv] this way my hand. 4s is a pretty hot contract (and makes). 5C is a poor contract (but still makes). i think my partner suspected i was being absurd - he shrugged and passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 [hv=pc=n&s=sakq4hj64d10742cat]133|100[/hv] this way my hand. 4s is a pretty hot contract (and makes). 5C is a poor contract (but still makes). I think my partner suspected i was being absurd - he shrugged and passed. I strongly suspect p has seen too many of these wistful bids looking for low % miracles and decided to not go down any more than they have to. Bidding 3s here just looks plain wrong the opps have been silenced by 3c and game chances appear to be tiny at best. All 3s is accomplishing most of the time is getting our side to 4c and going down more than anyone else when partner does not have 3s to the J (which they need to make 4s a favorite to make). That is at least the opinion of this particular wanker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanoff Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 I strongly suspect p has seen too many of these wistful bids looking for low % miracles and decided to not go down any more than they have to. Bidding 3s here just looks plain wrong the opps have been silenced by 3c and game chances appear to be tiny at best. All 3s is accomplishing most of the time is getting our side to 4c and going down more than anyone else when partner does not have 3s to the J (which they need to make 4s a favorite to make). That is at least the opinion of this particular wanker. A bit harsh. 3♠ is the normal bid here in case partner is 4xx6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 A bit harsh. 3♠ is the normal bid here in case partner is 4xx6. Is it really? You guys have different understanding of "normal" when one preempts at 3 level with only 6 cards and 4 card side major and his partner bids 4 card 3M at 3 level with only Hx in his partner's preempt suit, red vs white against strong ♣. And it is normal that bid should be spared to find the 4-4 major fit after preempt!! Although I agree about the "harsh" part. Because George usually is a very calm poster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted June 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 i did have a 14 count with partial stops in the reds opposite an unfavourable 3 level overcall. 3NT is very much in the picture despite lho having 16+. xx Ax xx KQxxxxx leaves 17 points for RHO and gives us 11 top tricks in no-trumps or clubs. and the opps have not been pre-empted out of the hand yet. LHO is going to balance whenever he's got some modest values and short clubs. as it was 3h would have made. if you think p's actual hand was rather specific, i'll head to the cherry-picker and leave you to decide what p would lead after 3C p p 3h p 4H p p p with Jxx xx x KQxxxxx, even if clubs and spades break well enough for us to make 4 tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alok c Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 i did have a 14 count with partial stops in the reds opposite an unfavourable 3 level overcall. 3NT is very much in the picture despite lho having 16+. xx Ax xx KQxxxxx leaves 17 points for RHO and gives us 11 top tricks in no-trumps or clubs. and the opps have not been pre-empted out of the hand yet. LHO is going to balance whenever he's got some modest values and short clubs. as it was 3h would have made. if you think p's actual hand was rather specific, i'll head to the cherry-picker and leave you to decide what p would lead after 3C p p 3h p 4H p p p with Jxx xx x KQxxxxx, even if clubs and spades break well enough for us to make 4 tricks.For an expected bid of 3nt from partner you are to indicate your weakness for his help(stopper),for surely for a preemptive hand he can'nt have allround stoppers.With specific stopper in North's hand chance of making 3nt is very high as East willbe confined in his own hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Maybe East psyched his opening but I didn't think psyching an artifical opening was allowed. Opener didn't specify ACBL, so probably there is no such restriction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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