Preemptive Hand or Not

[quikwal]

More than one person at our Local Club opened (3S) with this Hand.

 

http://https//sites.google.com/site/aabluelines/home/photo-e

 

I opened (1S) and partner Splintered to (4D). After asking for Key Cards

we ended up in (6S). Opponent didn't lead his (AH) we we made (7S).

 

 

The hand didn't get shuffled so next week everyone played the same hand a second time and

both nights only two pairs got to (6S).

 

All four hands:

 

https://sites.google.com/site/aabluelines/home/photo-f

 

What do you think of preempting with the South Hand?

No wonder that these folks can't get to slam.

 

RESULTS MAY 24

http://https//sites.google.com/site/aabluelines/home/photo-g

 

RESULTS MAY 31

https://sites.google.com/site/aabluelines/home/photo-h

[johnu]

To create a hand diagram in these forums, click on the symbol that has red sides and a spade in the middle.

[wank]

yeah you're right 3s is a rather poor bid

[1eyedjack]

Personally I agree with all of the above, but I am surprised that the position arose. According to the traveller, this was board number 21, which means North was dealer. It seems strange that North would pass in first seat. That said, North declared all the Spade contracts per the traveller, so the hand diagram is probably upside down.

 

I recall an article by Marc Smith somewhere in which he advocated undisciplined pre-empts in first (and maybe third) seat. This was based on the fact that there were two opponents left in doubt about your hand, for one partner. Sure, one third of the time, as on this hand, you would be snookering your own side, but if that means snookering the opponents on the other two thirds of the time you reckon to be quids in over the longer term, and to point to a single bad result from the one third population could be resulting.

 

I have to say that I was not persuaded by his argument at the time, and I would have opened this 1S.

[chasetb]

I think you should be undiscliplined when NV in 1st and 3rd, but this is an opening hand through and through. 2 Quick Tricks, and a suit you can rebid? EASY

[quikwal]

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Actually North was the dealer and the hands were switched around.

 

Bidding at One Table

North South

1S 2C

2S 4S

 

BIDDING AT OUR TABLE

NORTH SOUTH

1S 4D

4NT 5H

6S

[johnu]

The long spade hand is much closer to a Namyats (good spade preempt) 4 bid than a 3 bid. I would be very unhappy if partner opened 3S and we missed a game or slam.

 

I really dislike the 4♦ splinter bid. Give partner something like

 

Qxxxx

Kxx

KJx

Ax

 

and they are never taking a move to slam.

 

I would respond 2♣ like the 1st table, but jumping to 4♠ is really, really bad. 4♦ over 2♠ seems like an automatic bid to me

 

1♠ 2♣

2♠ 4♦

 

Responder shows a source of tricks in the club suit, good spade support, and shortness in diamonds.

[fourdad]

This is a prime example of why I am an advocate for lite, lead directing overcalls.

 

Over 1S, holding the East hand I am AT LEAST going to bid 2H, and perhaps, 2NT, for the lower ranking unbid suits.

 

You think you get to slam then?

 

I will bid 3S every time.

[notproven]

1♠. Most writers discourage opening a weak 2 with two outside quick tricks. No one advocates opening such a hand at the three level. The problem is that you make it impossible for partner to judge whether to sacrifice, defend or double.

[johnu]

This is a prime example of why I am an advocate for lite, lead directing overcalls.

 

Over 1S, holding the East hand I am AT LEAST going to bid 2H, and perhaps, 2NT, for the lower ranking unbid suits.

 

You think you get to slam then?

 

I will bid 3S every time.

 

Are you posting for PhilG???

[fourdad]

Are you posting for PhilG???

 

NOPE! :rolleyes:

[Jinksy]

This is a prime example of why I am an advocate for lite, lead directing overcalls.

 

Over 1S, holding the East hand I am AT LEAST going to bid 2H, and perhaps, 2NT, for the lower ranking unbid suits.

 

You think you get to slam then?

 

Yes. So on this occasion you got lucky.

[msjennifer]

I shall always open this hand 1S.I don't worry about what East overcalls.We have the machinery to deal with and reach six spade.A 2 NT overcall will make bidding very easy and comfortable for reaching 6S.

[Caitlynne]

I am bidding 1S all day, every day. TWO side suit aces and a 7 card suit and a 4 card side suit. Preempting - ESPECIALLY holding the spade suit - is just INSANE in first seat. Or second seat. Or 4th seat. A bit less insane, but still up there, in 3rd chair. If partner has some values, are you really likely to be outbid when you have SEVEN spades?

[MrAce]

NOPE! :rolleyes:

 

Are you sure? http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif

[rmnka447]

1 ♠ - Way too much defense to preempt. If you had only one A, then a preempt would be fine. If you preempt with this hand and similar hands as well as true preempt hands, then partner will never know when it's right to sac or double the opponents. Then there'll be a real problem.

[gszes]

a LOT of (low HCP) hands players open 1 with look like passes to me but not this type of hand. I have transferable values in 2 quick tricks outside my long suit. I would have zero problems leaving any penalty x in (or making one myself) in competitive situations. I would vastly prefer a weak 2s over a 3s bid though I also hate the 2s opener. 1s = 9 2s = 3 3s = 1. At least over a weak 2 there is room for the partnership to explore. Saw a comment for NAMYATS but this suit is far too raggedy to assume it will always be trumps.