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[Jinksy]

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Is that a challenge???? You've got it Bud The gauntlet has been thrown down Accept?!

 

What is the point in loudly announcing challenges when anyone points out your flaws when a) you continue to get beaten in almost every one of them, b) you quietly slink off after each defeat, and c) the one match you proudly announce the result of, by a staggering coincidence is the one one you didn't lose? (congratulations on your resounding draw, btw)

 

If you just want to prove your 'courage', either play for money or take up boxing. If you want to give us a sense of your bridge playing ability, post all your results, and show some humility when they don't paint you as the strongest player in the village.

Edited May 21, 2016 by diana_eva
Explain how thread was created

[masse24]

I'm too long in the tooth and set in my ways to be "educated"

And I personally don't care about a person's stature.

 

What a shame that you have given up on learning new things. Apparently your progress as a bridge player has come to a halt. Based on some of the drivel you spout, e.g. "Negative Doubles are the worst convention ever invented," you stopped short of even a beginner's understanding of the game.

 

Personally, one of the reasons I come here is to learn new ideas, hopefully better ideas, about the game. At the very least, alternative ways of thinking. And when I read the opinions of better players, and those ideas are diametrically opposed to my current way of thinking, I wonder why. And it challenges me to rethink and hopefully improve. Since you are "too long in the tooth and set in your ways" to accept advice from better players--some of them world class--then why do you come here? Unless your goal is to troll . . . ?

 

My "Laugh of the day" used to be to check this forum for my daily fix of "What did PhilG007 post today?" But your constant blather, your combative nature, and the once humorous nature of your posts has become tiresome.

 

It is time to ignore the troll.

[Phil]

Speak for yourself,no-one else And I'm too long in the tooth and set in my ways to be "educated"

 

Then why do you come here? It should be evident that no one is really interested in learning from you.

 

By the way, I'm probably approximately as long in the tooth as you and I'm a helluva lot better than you.

 

And yet, I try to learn new things. Every day! I come on here to share ideas, and talk about hands. Even if I have seen something before, reminding myself about certain themes keeps me sharp.

 

You OTOH like to shoot your mouth off and make a fool of yourself. Me (and others) have grown tired of trying to give you friendly advice about how to act.

 

So, to anyone that reads this, please only accept challenges at a money table for preferably two cents a point. I thought enough people beating his brains in would reveal something we haven't seen but I was wrong.

 

Or better yet, just leave. You are like the unwanted guest that drinks too much and relies on other people's niceness to not get kicked out.

 

But you haven't been kicked out and probably won't. However, you can be ignored which is generally worse than getting kicked out because the thing a troll hates more than getting called out is not to be responded to at all.

 

Edit: haha Masse said nearly the same thing.

[PhilG007]

Then why do you come here? It should be evident that no one is really interested in learning from you.

 

By the way, I'm probably approximately as long in the tooth as you and I'm a helluva lot better than you.

 

And yet, I try to learn new things. Every day! I come on here to share ideas, and talk about hands. Even if I have seen something before, reminding myself about certain themes keeps me sharp.

 

You OTOH like to shoot your mouth off and make a fool of yourself. Me (and others) have grown tired of trying to give you friendly advice about how to act.

 

So, to anyone that reads this, please only accept challenges at a money table for preferably two cents a point. I thought enough people beating his brains in would reveal something we haven't seen but I was wrong.

 

Or better yet, just leave. You are like the unwanted guest that drinks too much and relies on other people's niceness to not get kicked out.

 

But you haven't been kicked out and probably won't. However, you can be ignored which is generally worse than getting kicked out because the thing a troll hates more than getting called out is not to be responded to at all.

 

Edit: haha Masse said nearly the same thing.

"I'm a helluva lot better than you" How can you think that on the strength of one single challenge?????

Have you won any trophies,medals honors at this game ??? If so,reveal them or are you just another pseudo expert that

seems tohaunt this site (?)

[PhilG007]

Then why do you come here? It should be evident that no one is really interested in learning from you.

 

By the way, I'm probably approximately as long in the tooth as you and I'm a helluva lot better than you.

 

And yet, I try to learn new things. Every day! I come on here to share ideas, and talk about hands. Even if I have seen something before, reminding myself about certain themes keeps me sharp.

 

You OTOH like to shoot your mouth off and make a fool of yourself. Me (and others) have grown tired of trying to give you friendly advice about how to act.

 

So, to anyone that reads this, please only accept challenges at a money table for preferably two cents a point. I thought enough people beating his brains in would reveal something we haven't seen but I was wrong.

 

Or better yet, just leave. You are like the unwanted guest that drinks too much and relies on other people's niceness to not get kicked out.

 

But you haven't been kicked out and probably won't. However, you can be ignored which is generally worse than getting kicked out because the thing a troll hates more than getting called out is not to be responded to at all.

 

Edit: haha Masse said nearly the same thing.

I have noticed that you like to insult from a distance behind an alias. I don't think you would dare

to say the same face to face If you did you would have no face :angry:

[hrothgar]

I have noticed that you like to insult from a distance behind an alias. I don't think you would dare

to say the same face to face If you did you would have no face :angry:

 

That fact that you don't know that "Phil" is "Phil Clayton" doesn't mean that "Phil" is hiding behind an alias, rather, it shows that you are too stupid or lazy to invest any time actually reading material that other people post in this forum.

[masse24]

[it] shows that you are too stupid or lazy to invest any time actually reading material that other people post in this forum.

 

Must we vote for only one? Can I choose both? Please?

[PhilG007]

That fact that you don't know that "Phil" is "Phil Clayton" doesn't mean that "Phil" is hiding behind an alias, rather, it shows that you are too stupid or lazy to invest any time actually reading material that other people post in this forum.

Does it matter???? the Bozo is now on my ignore list Good Riddance!!! :angry:

[Phil]

I have noticed that you like to insult from a distance behind an alias. I don't think you would dare

to say the same face to face

 

Yeah I guess having my picture on BBO and using my FULL NAME isn't enough for some. My blood type is O positive (I think).

 

If we play (again) I will beat you every time which is why I won't do it anymore for funzies.

 

Accomplishments? Well I haven't won any nationals (yet) but the reason I spend time on here is to hopefully elevate my game to the point / and get on a long enough rush where I can win something. I do have a 5th in a national event and I consider myself competitive. If you do a little research you'll see I'm around 300th in the country by one measurement.

 

Please tell me what you've done. Can't wait to hear.

 

if you did you would have no face :angry:

 

For once I am at a loss for words.

[nige1]

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PhilG you had plenty of chances from everyone. Take a long deserved vacation and just read for once. You can try again in 3 months. If you still are not able to stay on topic and quit the fist fighting attitude you are no longer welcome here.

IMO you're over-reacting, Diana :(

Phil supported PhilG007's view in his first post in this topic!

PhilG007's posts provoke lots of discussion and are relatively inoffensive compared with those of some other posters.

We enjoy his challenges (in one of which you triumphed). It's all just light-hearted fun :)

[diana_eva]

IMO you're over-reacting, Diana :)

PhilG007's posts provoke lots of discussion and are relatively inoffensive compared with those of some other posters.

We enjoy his challenges (in one of which you triumphed). It's all just light-hearted fun :)

 

I actually liked this particular thread he opened and I agree it was good discussion. It's his replies that are unacceptable, especially his most recent ones.

[PhilKing]

Choose your weapons MPs or IMPs?

 

We went down this road some time ago.

 

Mike and I called you out for a high stakes challenge at ANY stake with you being allowed to play with any partner in the world.

 

And amazingly, you did not take up the offer.

[helene_t]

I knew this thread was what it would take to get Phil King to post again :) Welcome back ♥

[Jinksy]

PhilG you had plenty of chances from everyone. Take a long deserved vacation and just read for once. You can try again in 3 months. If you still are not able to stay on topic and quit the fist fighting attitude you are no longer welcome here.

 

As entertaining as it's been, I'm glad you did this. These forums have been all about him recently - every thread's been a pile-on, and he seems to thrive on it. He might not actually be a pedigree troll birthed from the fires of 4chan, but when we can't tell the difference, it hardly seems to matter.

[Trinidad]

I actually liked this particular thread he opened and I agree it was good discussion. It's his replies that are unacceptable, especially his most recent ones.

+1

 

Rik

[rhm]

I actually liked this particular thread he opened and I agree it was good discussion. It's his replies that are unacceptable, especially his most recent ones.

Maybe so.

But I have also the impression that his reaction is not unprovoked.

Many seem to jump on any remark this guy makes only to disabuse him in a precocious manner.

 

Rainer Herrmann

[gwnn]

You probably mean "abuse", not "disabuse." And people have tried several approaches in addressing him, none of which worked. It is a simple fact of life that in some "poster vs rest of the forums" situations it is hard know who is reacting to whom. In this case PhilG has a long history of calling people names and the rest of the forums lost patience. I don't expect you to go back and read the history and I'm not prepared to do the necessary work as it would ultimately be a waste of time. You may therefore take this to be a baseless subjective post worthy of ignoring, if you so wish.

[hrothgar]

It probably comes as no surprise, but I am opposed to banning people with an exception for folks who are spamming advertisements and the like...

 

(Al_U_Card falls into the latter category)

[rhm]

You probably mean "abuse", not "disabuse." And people have tried several approaches in addressing him, none of which worked. It is a simple fact of life that in some "poster vs rest of the forums" situations it is hard know who is reacting to whom. In this case PhilG has a long history of calling people names and the rest of the forums lost patience. I don't expect you to go back and read the history and I'm not prepared to do the necessary work as it would ultimately be a waste of time. You may therefore take this to be a baseless subjective post worthy of ignoring, if you so wish.

I meant disabuse.

I am well aware that there is a history.

Nevertheless any time this guy remarks something now the reaction is entirely predictable.

Some will doubtless like it for its entertaining value, but I confess I get bored.

Everything has been exchanged numerous times.

We ate beating a dead horse.

 

Rainer Herrmann

[nullve]

But I have also the impression that his reaction is not unprovoked.

Agree. And it's not difficult to see when the bullfight began in this thread.

[gwnn]

I actually reread the thread in passing. It seems like the hostility started with PhilG, not by the others, and you're not right that the others immediately started the derision right from the opening post. I don't think I even need to invoke any history to understand what happened. The first few replies were completely amicable, only then did it turn to challenges and why we are on the forums (to educate or to be educated). Somewhere after PhilG realized that there were people who don't accept a 1995 book as gospel he became very hostile and took everything personally. He wasn't particularly reacting to anything. Zel's line in his post that Mikeh called him (007) a beginner is maybe misguided but most of it was again amicable. To see this whole exchange as PhilG "reacting" to anything is quite false.

[gwnn]

Yes it is not difficult to see that the bullfight began when Phil started asking about a challenge as in a 70's action film.

[diana_eva]

I actually reread the thread in passing. It seems like the hostility started with PhilG, not by the others, and you're not right that the others immediately started the derision right from the opening post. I don't think I even need to invoke any history to understand what happened. The first few replies were completely amicable, only then did it turn to challenges and why we are on the forums (to educate or to be educated). Somewhere after PhilG realized that there were people who don't accept a 1995 book as gospel he became very hostile and took everything personally. He wasn't particularly reacting to anything. Zel's line in his post that Mikeh called him (007) a beginner is maybe misguided but most of it was again amicable. To see this whole exchange as PhilG "reacting" to anything is quite false.

 

This was exactly my perception too. I felt this time PhilG was given a fair chance. He was not provoked and he refused to read any argument + the aggressive replies way over the line. He can't just poop off topic aphorisms from last century all over the forums and expect us to tolerate it, sorry.

[Zelandakh]

Zel's line in his post that Mikeh called him (007) a beginner is maybe misguided but most of it was again amicable.

I made a decision that the situation was bad for BBF and needed to be resolved one way or the other, either with an act of contrition that would allow him to be accepted back into the BBF community or as things have gone. Therefore I was harder and more demanding of him recently than I usually am. I was probably mistaken in avoiding this with previous posters (32519, Lurpoa, etc) and like to think I am still capable of learning from my mistakes. :P

 

The truth is that BBFers reacted first to Phil taking an attitude that came across as above his obvious level and he in turn made increasingly misguided "put downs" in response. At some point, that dynamic moved over to something that was fairly poisonous to the forums and that often looked like trolling and/or baiting. This is hardly something unusual for BBF, we often have posters here that misjudge their own level and are unable to adapt to the response that provokes. It would be nice if we came up with a magic formula to bring such posters back to the community rather than having them feel alienated. I have tried a few times to enable that but sadly it seems as if it is a losing battle. If anyone else has any ideas, perhaps we as a community would be able to try it and become more welcoming of newcomers, even those that come across poorly with their initial posts.

[1eyedjack]

I don't know why you drag Lovera into this. His/her main problem is a grasp of English that is so poor that it is physically impossible to understand what is being written. Which is unfortunate but no crime. But God knows I would sound the same if I tried to post in another language. That and something of an obsession with Blackwood and its responses. But again, I can live with a narrow focus. Well, maybe it is a crime if you have been able to interpret what has been written, where it has defeated me.

 

As for PhilG, pretty much the only occasion when he has spouted a bridge opinion that has any merit is when, at the start of this thread, he quoted a maxim that had been first published by someone else of minor reputation. And being the opening post in the thread there was little risk of the quote being out of context. But that did not stop him presenting every opinion as authoritative while for the most part being quite wrong.