Feel Lucky Punk?

[eagles123]

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I put it on BW also but think its an interesting decision so interested in views here

 

Imps

[Jinksy]

Not I. Presumably P's 4♦ would have been forcing, so given that he neither solicited cues nor blasted slam himself, and I have about the worst holding possible in the opps' suit, it feels too risky to push on.

[1eyedjack]

I think that GIB would pop it up to 6. And I tend to agree. You are about 3 tricks better than you might have been.

[PhilG007]

If it weren't for that pesky 4♣ bid and my dodgy holding in the suit,I would bid 6♦ instantly.

Of course partner 'could' have a top club but I've long since learned through bitter experience,not to

put cards in partner's hand. As there is a real danger of two quick club losers,I would settle for game and pass....

albeit reluctantly.If 12 tricks were made I would hold up my hands and admit I was spooked by opponents bid but that

is part and parcel of the game. You win some,you lose some.I've also found 'Lady'Luck to be more of a witch-bitch

than a goddess :(

[alok c]

6♦

[PhilG007]

6♦

On your head be it :)

[manudude03]

I am really torn here, I loathe to bid slams with 2 top losers in their suit, but thinking about partner's range of hands then assuming West has 8 clubs (which admittedly isn't guaranteed) then surely partner is more likely to be short than RHO, not to mention RHO could also be void in clubs. However, partner may have bid 4D to test the waters. I don't think he could ever expect this good a hand for slam purposes though. I guess I bid 6♦, but I hope partner can forgive me if they can take the first 2.

[alok c]

On your head be it :)

North is bidding 5♦ without AK of trumps & knowing West is likely to hold AK of ♣,surely he is not bidding to sacrifice.

[PhilG007]

I am really torn here, I loathe to bid slams with 2 top losers in their suit, but thinking about partner's range of hands then assuming West has 8 clubs (which admittedly isn't guaranteed) then surely partner is more likely to be short than RHO, not to mention RHO could also be void in clubs. However, partner may have bid 4D to test the waters. I don't think he could ever expect this good a hand for slam purposes though. I guess I bid 6♦, but I hope partner can forgive me if they can take the first 2.

If you were an angler what would be more important to you? Landing the fish or not falling in the river (?)

[johnu]

I feel really lucky. 5♥ Maybe partner can show a club void and I'll bid 7♦. If partner doesn't have a club void, I'm no worse off than if I bid 6♦

[billw55]

Looking at all the controls in my hand, I can hardly believe that partner has jumped to 5♦ without a club control. So 6♦. I also like the 5♥ idea above.

[rmnka447]

6 ♦

 

This is a momentum auction. Holding 6 cover cards and the top ♦ is huge.

 

Partner's bidding is insane if 5 ♦ was bid having 2 ♣ losers and missing ♦ AK. Partner might well be able to posit that you hold at least one of the top honors but not both. So if partner has a legitimate 5 ♦ bid, then you have a raise to 6 ♦.

 

I will make the caveat that if your partner is known to be a super aggressive bidder, you might take pause and pass.

[Phil]

5!h was my first reaction but I can count only 12 tricks with the sK so we'd need a 4th heart, or squeeze to make 7. KQX xxx QJxxxxx v is just way too good for 5D. So I think I need a source of tricks to look for 7 here.

 

I'm trying 6D and won't be shocked if it goes down.

[billw55]

I'm trying 6D and won't be shocked if it goes down.

Actually I was leaning toward redoubling 6♦.

[gszes]

definitely feeling lucky my 2n could easily have been a bunch of K/Q/J instead of all these monster controls/tricks. While p may be having some sort of conniption fit over there it seems 6d should have reasonable play either because p is short or rho has a void. While I have a really icky club holding that does not mean my p (missing the AK of dia) has to have a mirror. I am feeling so lucky that I am bidding

 

5h

 

hoping to hear 6c which will compel me to bid 7d.

[lycier]

I pass.

I believe guess partner must have ♣ second control is unreasonable.

 

Avoiding last guess is my partnership agreement.

[billw55]

I pass.

I believe guess partner must have ♣ second control is unreasonable.

 

Avoiding last guess is my partnership agreement.

Pass is also a guess. In many auctions you cannot avoid it, including this one.

[lycier]

Pass is also a guess. In many auctions you cannot avoid it, including this one.

 

Good point of view.

Helgemo had ever said that guess is a worst part of this game.

[mr1303]

People don't often pre-empt over 2nt, since there's rarely any need to. So I'm going to assume partner has a stiff club and bid 6D.

[PhilG007]

Good point of view.

Helgemo had ever said that guess is a worst part of this game.

Guessers are losers

[1eyedjack]

Guessers are losers

OK I'll bite. How do you propose to remove the guesswork out of whether 5D is the limit?

[Zelandakh]

Looking at all the controls in my hand, I can hardly believe that partner has jumped to 5♦ without a club control. So 6♦. I also like the 5♥ idea above.

Could partner hold ♠xxx ♥Jxx ♦QJT9xx ♣x or would you pass with that? I think we need to discuss the boundaries between Pass, 4♦ and 5♦ before working out the best course of action for Opener.

 

As an aside, am I the only one that plays transfers over 4♣, so that 4♦ would show hearts? Not that it makes a difference here whether the "strong" diamond response is 4♦ or 4♠, just mildly surprised that noone mentioned it so far.

[eagles123]

This was from a BBO random Challenge and The end result was preeemptor had KQ-8 clubs and p had Ax and 6 was just cold (7 not there) And my opponent passed 5d. I can't remember the exact hand my p had.

At the time I considered it something of a wtp to raise, but then again it's much easier to raise aggresively on challenges/knockabout tm's than in real life

 

cheers

 

Eagles

[eagles123]

Not I. Presumably P's 4♦ would have been forcing, so given that he neither solicited cues nor blasted slam himself, and I have about the worst holding possible in the opps' suit, it feels too risky to push on.

 

Of course I mean this with the greatest respect Sasha and I don't mean it in respect to this hand particularly, but I never understand comments like "it feels too risky to push on" when surely it's just as risky to NOT push on.

[Phil]

...I never understand comments like "it feels too risky to push on" when surely it's just as risky to NOT push on.

 

This is an important concept.

 

If we were playing rubber bridge, we might just be content with taking our game and getting on to the next hand. From a game theory perspective this may be a bad idea but it's human nature sometimes to quit while your ahead.

 

IMPs is completely different and your outcome is dependent on the other table. There's nothing certain about what the other table is doing and we may have to bid 6D just to tie the board. All we can do is make the best choice possible and let things take care of themselves.