TAKE OUT or PENALTY??

[dickiegera]

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Is double here Take out or Penalty ?

[masse24]

I play it Penalty.

[SteveMoe]

Optional Takeout.

2NT limits your hand. Raising hearts suggest opponents own a probable 9-card fit.

Double shows a doubleton heart with maximum NT values.

Partner can choose to convert for penalty with modest values (enough for balance of power) and no safe place to play at the 3-level.

[PhilG007]

As partner has not yet bid,the double is obviously for takeout

and a bid must be found. West can only pass with great strength

in hearts. As the opponents have 'connected' in the suit,that looks

highly unlikely. I'm surprised that East didn't make a takeout double

on the first round.

[lycier]

Take-out.

For me, after 3♥, west still keeps silent, so east would better pass instead of double.

[fromageGB]

Depends on the 2NT. If this is natural, X is penalty. If it is a puppet (Lebensohl style) then takeout.

Edit - but I can't imagine a puppet making a takeout double, so I assume 2NT was natural and this is penalty. If 2NT was minors, then equally 3NT would be minors, so another pointer to penalty.

[P_Marlowe]

T/O

 

And the given East hand is way too strong for a 2NT overcall.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Cyberyeti]

T/O

 

And the given East hand is way too strong for a 2NT overcall.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

 

Agree in all respects, we play the 2N overcall as 15-17 or so.

 

What I'm not clear about are the top/bottom end of the 3N overcall and which hands you have to double first on

[Tramticket]

Agree in all respects, we play the 2N overcall as 15-17 or so.

 

What I'm not clear about are the top/bottom end of the 3N overcall and which hands you have to double first on

 

3NT is more usually based on a long running suit.

 

Double with any hand too strong for the 2NT overcall.

[ggwhiz]

In situations like this we play over the heart suit = penalty, under = takeout.

 

ie. 2♥ - p - p - 2nt then passed to rho who bids 3♥, double would be takeout

 

This one is penalty

[rmnka447]

This looks to me like a make up double. You know -- "I've underbid my hand the first time and now I'll try to make up for it on the second round."

 

If bidding 2 NT the first round was right, then I think you've got to "stay fixed" and pass the second round. The problem with bidding on is that you don't know if partner has anything. Contracting at the 3 or 4 level may be quite dangerous without a known fit or source of tricks. One big problem with a really big hand is that partner may not be able to enter their hand to lead toward dummy.

 

I think in the actual auction, the double is take out. If you had a 2 NT hand with enough to defeat 3 ♥, then you'd sit and take your positive.