goffster Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 http://tinyurl.com/hzdkr6o Robot does not have to bid 2H. In fact, there is no reason to bid at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 http://tinyurl.com/hzdkr6oRobot does not have to bid 2H. In fact, there is no reason to bid at all. Hi GoffsterWelcome you to Gib robot forum. I would answer your question, but I think your point is wrong.- Now first let's see your hand .[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?sn=Robot&s=SK742H8764D8CAKQ7&wn=Robot&w=SQ85HAK3DQJ65C962&nn=goffster&n=S63HQ95DKT972CJ53&en=Robot&e=SAJT9HJT2DA43CT84&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=1D(Minor%20suit%20opening%20--%203+%20%21D%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points)P1S(One%20over%20one%20--%204+%20%21S%3B%206+%20total%20points)D(Two%20suit%20takeout%20--%204+%20%21C%3B%205-%20%21D%3B%204+%20%21H%3B%205-%20%21S%3B%2012+%20total%20points)R!(Support%20redouble%20-%203%20S%20--%203+%20%21D%3B%203%20%21S%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points)2H(4+%20%21H%3B%2010-%20total%20points)PPP&p=HJH4HKH5HAH9H2H6H3HQHTH7C3C8CAC2D8DJDKDACTC7C9CJS6S9SKS5CKC6C5C4CQD5S3D4H8S8D2D3S2SQD7SASJS4D6D9STS7DQDT]400|300[/hv] - You said Robot doesn't have to bid 2♥, in fact, there is no reason to bid at all.Ok, I would check and replay your hand to tell its exact reason. 1- It normally goes :[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?sn=Robot&s=SK742H8764D8CAKQ7&wn=Robot&w=SQ85HAK3DQJ65C962&nn=Robot&n=S63HQ95DKT972CJ53&en=Robot&e=SAJT9HJT2DA43CT84&d=w&v=o&b=8&a=1D(Minor%20suit%20opening%20--%203+%20%21D%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points)P1S(One%20over%20one%20--%204+%20%21S%3B%206+%20total%20points)D(Two%20suit%20takeout%20--%204+%20%21C%3B%205-%20%21D%3B%204+%20%21H%3B%205-%20%21S%3B%2012+%20total%20points)R!(Support%20redouble%20-%203%20S%20--%203+%20%21D%3B%203%20%21S%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points)2H(4+%20%21H%3B%2010-%20total%20points)PPP&p=DAD8D5D2H2H8HKH5SQS6SJSKCAC2C5C4H7HAH9HTS5S3SAS7HJH6H3HQDKD3S4D6DTD4S2DJC6C3CTCKC7C9CJC8D9S9H4DQCQS8D7ST]400|300[/hv] 2- If north pass, south must regard it as cooperative penalty double. [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?sn=Robot&s=SK742H8764D8CAKQ7&wn=Robot&w=SQ85HAK3DQJ65C962&nn=Robot&n=S63HQ95DKT972CJ53&en=Robot&e=SAJT9HJT2DA43CT84&d=w&v=o&b=8&a=1D(Minor%20suit%20opening%20--%203+%20%21D%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points)P1S(One%20over%20one%20--%204+%20%21S%3B%206+%20total%20points)D(Two%20suit%20takeout%20--%204+%20%21C%3B%205-%20%21D%3B%204+%20%21H%3B%205-%20%21S%3B%2012+%20total%20points)R!(Support%20redouble%20-%203%20S%20--%203+%20%21D%3B%203%20%21S%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points)PPP&p=CKC2C3CTCAC9C5C4CQC6CJC8H4HAH5H2S5S3SJSKD8DQDKDAS9S4S8S6D4S7D5DTS2SQD9STDJD2D3H6D6D7SAH8HJH7H3HQH9HTC7HK]400|300[/hv]Result : 1♠Exx= 520 Obviously, there is a very serious consequence.Any ideas? I can try to help you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan_O Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 2- If north pass, south must regard it as cooperative penalty double. Since the XX shows 3cd ♠-support, South knows North is marked with 2 or fewer spades.Even my dog can tell you, North's Pass is not for penalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 Since the XX shows 3cd ♠-support, South knows North is marked with 2 or fewer spades.Only an idiot would take North's Pass to be for penalties. Very good replyhttp://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif. I always remember that Stephen Tu had ever said " Gib is a kind of rigid...", that's to say Gib is a kind of loyalty model which determines Gibs' bidding are different from human.Now I can take a real example.Here is from 2016 USBC QF - Segment 7 of 8[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?sn=Levin&s=S963HQJ7D9874CJ73&wn=Fleisher&w=SQT84HA932DKJCQT4&nn=Weinstein&n=SAKJ7HT85DT653CK2&en=Martel&e=S52HK64DAQ2CA9865&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=P1C(2+%20clubs)DRPP1SPP1NP3NPPP&p=SAS2S3S4D6DQD9DJC5C3CTCKHTH4HJHACQC2C6C7DKD3D2D4C4&c=9]400|300[/hv] So human isn't a kind of rigid model, there are many differences between Gibs and human.http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 - You said Robot doesn't have to bid 2♥, in fact, there is no reason to bid at all.Ok, I would check and replay your hand to tell its exact reason.....2- If north pass, south must regard it as cooperative penalty double.....Obviously, there is a very serious consequence.Any ideas? I can try to help you. I would consider bidding 2♥ to be a silly bid. If doubler has 5 clubs and 4 hearts, clubs will probably play much better. You don't have a strong preference so why bid a 3 card suit that may bypass your best suit? No guarantees, but I would have bid 1NT since I've got diamonds very well stopped and scattered values. "Cooperative penalty double"?????? Only in the GIB world where there is a hole in the bidding charts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan_O Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 Here is from 2016 USBC QF - Segment 7 of 8... Now my dog looks confused... is asking: What's this deal got to do with anything at all? :blink: :unsure: :huh: :blink: :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 Now my dog looks confused... is asking: What's this deal got to do with anything at all? :blink: :unsure: :huh: :blink: :blink: As the song says, What is it good for? Absolutely nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 I would consider bidding 2♥ to be a silly bid. If doubler has 5 clubs and 4 hearts, clubs will probably play much better. You don't have a strong preference so why bid a 3 card suit that may bypass your best suit? No guarantees, but I would have bid 1NT since I've got diamonds very well stopped and scattered values. "Cooperative penalty double"?????? Only in the GIB world where there is a hole in the bidding charts. LOLhttp://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gifhttp://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gifhttp://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gifhttp://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gifOh, my god, how could I forget the brackets on Cooperative?Now you see I am typing it as ( Cooperative ) penalty double, I think I have " fixed " this hole in the bidding charts.http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif Welcome you to point out my mistakes, and share with everyone.http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gifhttp://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gifhttp://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gifhttp://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 When the book and the bird disagree, always believe the bird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 Now my dog looks confused... is asking: What's this deal got to do with anything at all? :blink: :unsure: :huh: :blink: :blink: It would tell you a story how world experts dealt with such similar hand, it is different from Gibs.http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 Now my dog looks confused... is asking: What's this deal got to do with anything at all? :blink: :unsure: :huh: :blink: :blink: As I early said , Gib CC is - bid 2♥= escape, weakish bid.- pass, Gib will regard it as " agree with penalty option." This is a Gib approach, it differ with human CC !http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloa513 Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 North's best escape is 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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