mr1303 Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 [hv=pc=n&s=saqjt8h865daq964c&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1hp]133|200[/hv] Lots of choices. How you begin could create a big swing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Any initial response other than 1S seems very strange to me,. I am surprised that there were alternative comparisons from which to create a swing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramticket Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 (Assuming 5-card majors), you have a heart fit. So I suppose that a splinter is possible ... Or Jacoby 2NT ... but I think that it is best to show where your values are. One Spade for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 1♠ is really normal, you want to get into spades (or diamonds/NT if the pointies are the other way round) opposite something like Kxx, Axxxx, Kx, Axx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 My pessimistic view on this type of hands AQ-AQ hands is that there is not going to be a top spot (because partner won't have both kings). Back to the problem, 1♠ is quite obvious. With reversed quality 2♦ might have some merit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 anything except 1s is bizarre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 My pessimistic view on this type of hands AQ-AQ hands is that there is not going to be a top spot (because partner won't have both kings). Back to the problem, 1♠ is quite obvious. With reversed quality 2♦ might have some merit. Bypassing a 5-card major is definitely one way to create a swing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 1s W/o in depth agreements this bid leaves us the most prepared to take advantage of a variety of continuations by partner. This hand might easily play in !S !H !D or (far less likely NT) and the simple 1s bid allows for all of those probabilities (assuming lho does not barrage us with some monster number of clubs that is). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted May 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Ok, so after 1S you get a 1NT reply from partner. Now what? You don't play checkback after a 1H opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 Ok, so after 1S you get a 1NT reply from partner. Now what? You don't play checkback after a 1H opening. 3♦ nat GF 5-5 ? I'm presuming you're playing 5M strong NT, tell me if you're not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted May 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 We are. 2/1 style. You can bid 3D if you like, which would be GF and would probably show 5 diamonds. Partner would bid a slow 3H after 3D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 We are. 2/1 style. You can bid 3D if you like, which would be GF and would probably show 5 diamonds. Partner would bid a slow 3H after 3D. How well do you know partner ? Does he bid 1N with a 2524 or 2623 ? I'm suspecting 2533 otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 Ok, so after 1S you get a 1NT reply from partner. Now what? You don't play checkback after a 1H opening. If don't play checkback including nmf and two way stayman etc modern bidding gadgets, that only shows your problem make no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 We are. 2/1 style. You can bid 3D if you like, which would be GF and would probably show 5 diamonds. Partner would bid a slow 3H after 3D. 6h Disagree 3d would show 5+ (and not even sure I would agree it shows 4+ given the bidding). We need a forcing bid (temporizing) and diamonds happen to be the most handy and least space consuming. I say this only because I am assuming 2c/d are NOT forcing. If they are forcing then put me down for 2d. The 3h bid can be many things but one of the things for sure is that 3n did NOT look appetizing. P club weakness makes our hand better but still leaves us with a puzzle as to the proper strain/level. We have wasted a ton of bidding space and further exploration starts to get murky here since trumps have never been set. I think it is time to go with the odds and just blast 6h. There are a few hands where 7 is right and a few where going beyond 4 is wrong but the middle ground seems to be the place to be when there is insufficient science available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 I also would start with 1 ♠ and rebid 3 ♦ playing 2/1 without full knowledge of any bidding agreements over 1 ♠. Over 3 ♥, however, I'm going to bid 5 ♥. There may some risk in doing so, but it the best I can do to suggest slam. Partner ought to be able envision that my hand is at least something like 4=3=5=1 or 5=3=4=1. If I were sure that 4 ♦ over 3 ♥ weren't passable, then I'd prefer that bid planning to raise ♥ over partner's next bid. IMO, that should show exactly the hand I have. Some might disagree because they insist 1 ♠ must be bid over 1 ♥ anytime you have 4 ♠. But if I've got a GF hand with a 5 card ♦ suit and 4 ♠, I'm bidding 2 ♦ and reversing into the 4 card ♠ suit on the second round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted May 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 Well, if you bid 6H you get doubled and go for a lot. Posted Yesterday, 17:37View Postmr1303, on 2016-May-06, 07:59, said:Ok, so after 1S you get a 1NT reply from partner. Now what? You don't play checkback after a 1H opening. If don't play checkback including nmf and two way stayman etc modern bidding gadgets, that only shows your problem make no sense. You don't play these after a 1H opening. You do play them after a 1C or 1D opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 Ok, so after 1S you get a 1NT reply from partner. Now what? You don't play checkback after a 1H opening. ok 2d whatever that means for you guys. no problem yet what do you bid now? I mean we cannot have a problem yet.....partner is assumed in these forums to be a true expert and you have not told us other 9----- If partner is a novice you need to inform us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 ok 2d whatever that means for you guys. no problem yet what do you bid now? I mean we cannot have a problem yet.....partner is assumed in these forums to be a true expert and you have not told us other 9----- If partner is a novice you need to inform us The problem is that you might play in 2♦, how do you bid the same shape but a 6 count ? Partner only had Kx, AKxxx, Kxx, xxx and passed for +170 the hard way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 What is the cheapest forcing bid after 1NT?, I Would rather bid 3♥ than 3♦. But opposite 12-14 balanced maybe 4♣ auto-splinter is the best way to continue. If I am unsure of 3♥ meaning I will try 4♣ and mastermind the hand from now on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilG007 Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 What is the cheapest forcing bid after 1NT?, I Would rather bid 3♥ than 3♦. But opposite 12-14 balanced maybe 4♣ auto-splinter is the best way to continue. If I am unsure of 3♥ meaning I will try 4♣ and mastermind the hand from now on. Over a 1NT rebid 3♥ is not forcing but highly invitational The danger with this bid is that partner mightpass if he is minimum and a sure 4♥ would be missed for a rotten score. 3♦ IS forcing to at leastgame and suggests a possible slam in either spades or diamonds if partner can help in either suit.3NT will go down among the dead men and must be avoided at all costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 Over a 1NT rebid 3♥ is not forcing but highly invitational The danger with this bid is that partner mightpass if he is minimum and a sure 4♥ would be missed for a rotten score. 3♦ IS forcing to at leastgame and suggests a possible slam in either spades or diamonds if partner can help in either suit.3NT will go down among the dead men and must be avoided at all costs. Agree with most of this, but 3N is of course the winner opposite something like Kx, Qxxxx, Kxx, Axx as you cash 11 when 4♥ only makes 10 (or goes off on a bad break) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 If don't play checkback including nmf and two way stayman etc modern bidding gadgets, that only shows your problem make no sense. No, it only shows why you should be playing something like NMF or XYZ. Suppose you are playing with somebody who refuses to play any gadgets here. Do you get up and walk out of the club? Assuming you stay, this hand comes up and you bid??? Do you say this is stupid and refuse to bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 No, it only shows why you should be playing something like NMF or XYZ. Suppose you are playing with somebody who refuses to play any gadgets here. Do you get up and walk out of the club? Assuming you stay, this hand comes up and you bid??? Do you say this is stupid and refuse to bid? Or you're playing rubber bridge in the UK where such conventions aren't allowed in many places Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 In french style 1♠ denies support unless 10+, this means 2♥ is invitational, I though this was more or less standard, but I was wrong :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 The problem is that you might play in 2♦, how do you bid the same shape but a 6 count ? Partner only had Kx, AKxxx, Kxx, xxx and passed for +170 the hard way you must be joking your world class expert partners pass 2d when undiscussed? 1h=1s1nt=2dpass? sorry but this really is a nonproblem. 2d easy-------------------- Please keep in mind the rules of the game tell us pard and opp are true experts/wc.....we are not unless we are told otherwise in the OP.---- btw if you are asking me how I show the same shape with a 6count.....I cannot promise/show this shape and a 6 count----- btw2 CYB if I ever had the honor of playing with you, and we did not discuss this auction....I would bid the same and never expect YOU to pass. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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