Invite at MPs ?

[apollo1201]

MP decisions, all red iirc this deal from our national final this WE, bidding goes 1S-1NT (not playing fancy stuff like 2/1 or forcing NT):

 

AKTx

AQTxx

QT

xx

 

My partner loved all those tens (which proved crucial when I ended up playing 3NT on a spade lead to Q and C return, J ducked, S to T, AQ H and nothing bad in D):

 

9xx

J

9xxxx

AKQx

 

Except this result mearchant as I was really super max, would you have invited? I know some have a structure in which 2NT is art GF (eg strong hands with a bad 6-suit, 5332 with 3 hearts or a low doubleton H, etc.) so playing this it is harder to invite I guess.

[rhm]

If playing strong notrumps an alternative is to open the hand 1NT, which probably most will reject.

It can of course backfire, but it resolves the question whether to invite nicely.

 

Rainer Herrmann

[mr1303]

1H 1NT

2C 2S

 

Looks a good way to start the auction. Where you go from there depends on your methods.

 

This is gibberish as 1NT is not forcing...

[P_Marlowe]

No.

 

Assuming, you opened 1H.

 

I guess this is a nice hand for Flannery, you would end up in 2S.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[WesleyC]

At IMPs I think at 1NT opening is clear.

 

At MPs it's a tough decision of what to open - I lean towards 1H because missing a major fit could be a disaster.

 

However once you open 1H and hear a 1NT response you've got a clear pass. Partner is known hold 8+ cards in the minors, so the deal looks like a misfit. Even upgrading your hand a point, your side only has 21 to 26 HCP which just isn't enough to profitably explore for game at MPs.

[Tramticket]

For what its worth, we get to 3NT in Acol:

1H 2D

2S 2NT

3NT

[bigbenvic]

I do not understand people advocating for opening a 4522 15 count 1NT WHEN 13 of the 15 points are in the majors. Happy to open that shape in NT's but prefer to have more than a Qx in the 2 weak suits.

Something like KTxx QTxxx AT AQ would be more suitable for a no trump opening.

[mike777]

MP decisions, all red iirc this deal from our national final this WE, bidding goes 1S-1NT (not playing fancy stuff like 2/1 or forcing NT):

 

AKTx

AQTxx

QT

xx

 

My partner loved all those tens (which proved crucial when I ended up playing 3NT on a spade lead to Q and C return, J ducked, S to T, AQ H and nothing bad in D):

 

9xx

J

9xxxx

AKQx

 

Except this result mearchant as I was really super max, would you have invited? I know some have a structure in which 2NT is art GF (eg strong hands with a bad 6-suit, 5332 with 3 hearts or a low doubleton H, etc.) so playing this it is harder to invite I guess.

 

 

Difficult hand, very difficult.

 

 

given you are NOT playing 2/1 or forcing nt then'

 

1h=2c seems a normal start...don't get 1nt.

 

NOW AFTER that start partner may rebid 2h or 2s or 2nt and you must choose and explain your agreement of a rebid.

 

What is your rebid?

[rhm]

I do not understand people advocating for opening a 4522 15 count 1NT WHEN 13 of the 15 points are in the majors. Happy to open that shape in NT's but prefer to have more than a Qx in the 2 weak suits.

Something like KTxx QTxxx AT AQ would be more suitable for a no trump opening.

Nobody claimed that the above hand is an ideal 1NT opener.

But there is no point in looking at only side of the coin.

 

Opening 1♥ is not immediately fatal.

But the most likely response you will get is 1NT.

Now if you invite you will often get too high.

If you pass you will at least sometimes miss game.

 

Even if partner responds with anything else many partnership will have difficulties expressing this (moderately additional) strength thereafter.

 

Rainer Herrmann

[fourdad]

The question of the invite is, imo, the wrong question.

 

Your partner, in asking it, is ignoring their own "first error".

 

You have 15 and my rule is to not open NT w/ 2 doubletons, so I like the 1H.

 

Pd should bid 2D, showing 10 and a 5 card suit!! As 2S is a reverse and 2D denies a 4 card spade suit, would you not then think 15+10=25 and bid 3NT?

 

While I get that you do not have a club stop, given where your points are, is it not very likely that pard does in order to have 10 points?

 

If pard has a heart fit or a wildly distributional hand in D's they can always correct.

[ahydra]

1H-2D; 2S-3NT

 

We shade down our reverses opposite a 2/1 to establish a GF, since 1M-2x; 2M is not forcing.

 

I don't really understand 1S at all I'm afraid. Bidding over-strong 1NTs as responder is somewhat dubious too - you can't really expect opener to raise on 15 or average 16s, lest you have only 5.

 

ahydra

[ahydra]

...2D denies a 4 card spade suit...

 

No it doesn't - responder can have say 5D, 4S and a 14-count, in which case he'll start with 2D and bid 2S over 2H (responder's reverse = GF).

 

ahydra

[msjennifer]

Must play Flannery for such hands.2D multi or weak in diamonds are useless against good opponents. We bid Flannery (12/16)and a relay of 2NT with 11 plus.Opener bids 3 C with 12/14 and 3D with 15/16.So 2D-2Nt-3D-3NT.With less HCP responder if fitting in either major uses the gadget of LTC and bids the fitting major at appropriate level.With big hands responder first uses 2NT bid to get clarification and then makes forcing bids to bid a small or grand slam.Openers 3H/S over the relay show various hands but all further theory is beyond the question posed here.

[nullve]

Must play Flannery for such hands.

No. My auction:

 

1♥¹-1N²

2♣³-2♦⁴

2♥⁵-2♠⁶

P⁷

 

¹ "10-21", 5+ H, unbal.

² 5-12, NF

³ "13-15", either 5H4+m or 4+S5+H / "16-18", any

⁴ 8+, relay

⁵ "13-15", either 5H4+m or 4S5H

⁶ 3S1-H, P/C

⁷ 13-15 hcp, 4S5H

[fourdad]

No it doesn't - responder can have say 5D, 4S and a 14-count, in which case he'll start with 2D and bid 2S over 2H (responder's reverse = GF).

 

ahydra

 

You are correct, of course. I should have put denies 4S in a NON reversible hand". I stand corrected, Thanks!