Bid this hand with me

[dboxley]

IMPs, Both Vul,

15-17, 4 suit xfers w/super accept (immediate 3C response would be Puppet), no other special agreements , opponents pass throughout.

 

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Partner

1NT

 

You

?

 

I will update the bidding as we go along.

[gszes]

With tons of potential places to play--3n KQx QJTx KQJ Kxx all the way to 7m Axx Axx KQ Kxxxx it seems best to start slow and check first for 3n and if that does not look feasible then proceed with how high in the minors. My initial vote is for

2s transfer to clubs

[Zelandakh]

With tons of potential places to play--3n KQx QJTx KQJ Kxx all the way to 7m Axx Axx KQ Kxxxx it seems best to start slow and check first for 3n and if that does not look feasible then proceed with how high in the minors. My initial vote is for

2s transfer to clubs

Given that the only feasible alternative I can think of is 2♣ I would not call that "starting slow". On the other hand I would expect an overwelming vote for it given the lack of good options. The LOLs start with 3♣! :blink:

[hrothgar]

Torn between 2♠ and an immediate 3N

 

I'll go with 2♠

[dboxley]

IMPs, Both Vul,

15-17, 4 suit xfers w/super accept (immediate 3C response would be Puppet), no other special agreements , opponents pass throughout.

 

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Partner

1NT

2NT

 

You

2S

?

 

I will update the bidding as we go along.

 

 

 

 

[dboxley]

Given that the only feasible alternative I can think of is 2♣ I would not call that "starting slow". On the other hand I would expect an overwelming vote for it given the lack of good options. The LOLs start with 3♣! :blink:

 

As stated, 3C would be puppet, I was trying to eliminate the 3C response.

[nige1]

IMPS. 15-17, 4 suit xfers w/super accept (immediate 3C response would be Puppet), no other special agreements , opponents pass throughout.

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I rank

2♠ = TRF. A minor game/slam may be safer than 3N.

3N = S/O. Likely make. No leakage. Honours in short suits. [/hv]

[fromageGB]

2♠ if that is the transfer to clubs.

2♠ if that is minor suit stayman.

[Phil]

1. I'd start by showing the minors either with 2S or 3D

2. I'd show the heart shortness.

3. I'd pull 3N to 4C showing extra length.

4. I'd give up over 4N

[rmnka447]

2 ♠ transfer to 3 ♣ to start.

[apollo1201]

Transfer to C. If partner "super-accepts" by bidding 2NT (Hxx fit and quick tricks on the side so that if I transfered with HHxxxx I can try 3NT) we are on a good way.

 

Then I'm torn between 3D natural and game forcing but it shows 55 for us with usually more concentrated values in minors, or 3S (singleton H) but it is a K. I'll try 3D hoping partner doesn't fit me too violently because ar least it conveys the message a major singl.

[Fluffy]

I would bid 3NT at MPs and let them missguess the lead. At IMPs I don't think this is best, but it could be the winner as well.

 

I would show both minors if possible, or clubs + heart short otherwise.

[nekthen]

1N 2♠

2N 3♦

[PhilG007]

The only contract worth considering is 3NT so bid it without fiddle faddle and

without telling the opposition what to lead. :)

[eagles123]

The only contract worth considering is 3NT so bid it without fiddle faddle and

without telling the opposition what to lead. :)

 

dear oh dear partner can have very boring hands where 6 or even 7 of a minor are just laydown :rolleyes:

[Vampyr]

Transfer to C. If partner "super-accepts" by bidding 2NT

 

...then he is playing an inferior method.

[PhilG007]

dear oh dear partner can have very boring hands where 6 or even 7 of a minor are just laydown :rolleyes:

A minor suit slam is by no means guaranteed. Partner's hand could be :-

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The best chance is 3NT A minor suit slam would not only be spurious but folly.

[GrahamJson]

I don't see much point is playing four suit transfers if you don't use it on hands like this. So put me down for 2S. I'll follow up with 3D, whatever partner's response.

 

As another has indicated, it is best to play 3C by opener as showing a fit and 2NT as denying.

[Zelandakh]

A minor suit slam is by no means guaranteed. Partner's hand could be :-

The OP has not yet explained the available methods in full but most pairs will have a way of separating out this hand from some other more suitable ones. Slam is by no means guaranteed, nor is it certain that it is best. At the same time, 3NT might be hopeless with 5m easy. Most of us are assuming that we have enough system available for our side to make a more informed decision by exchanging information than we can after just the opening bid. It might be that your methods cannot make such a distinction, in which case you are right, you just have to guess.

[Cyberyeti]

A minor suit slam is by no means guaranteed. Partner's hand could be :-

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The best chance is 3NT A minor suit slam would not only be spurious but folly.

 

On the hand you give, 6♣ is a fine contract assuming you mean ♣J9 (the 10 is in the other hand), needing a 3-2 trump break with one of the honours onside or KQxx or stiff K or Q onside.

 

Meanwhile partner can have:

 

Axxx

Axx

Kx

Kxxx

 

Where 7 requires only a 2-1 club break

 

Transfer first then see what happens. I'm glad I'm able to show both minors playing what I play, although hands like Ax, AQJx, xxxx, KQx need to be played in clubs despite the 4-4 diamond fit.

[tomcat777]

2♠ transfer to♣ then 3♦

[apollo1201]

Sry for the digression but can someone pls explain why 2NT is better w/o fit vs. 2NT = super acceptance? If respondent is very weak the hand needs to be played in 3C regardless of the fit so to rightside the contract, 3C = no fit (most common answer) is best. When opener super accepts, some of the weak hands will choose 3NT so less hands will be played in 3C anyway so no need to have them bid by opener.

Or did I miss sth?

I agree on 2NT openings, opener bids NT if he doesnt like respondent's minor, but in that case responder is GF+, not here.

[Cyberyeti]

Sry for the digression but can someone pls explain why 2NT is better w/o fit vs. 2NT = super acceptance? If respondent is very weak the hand needs to be played in 3C regardless of the fit so to rightside the contract, 3C = no fit (most common answer) is best. When opener super accepts, some of the weak hands will choose 3NT so less hands will be played in 3C anyway so no need to have them bid by opener.

Or did I miss sth?

I agree on 2NT openings, opener bids NT if he doesnt like respondent's minor, but in that case responder is GF+, not here.

 

Interesting question to which a sim would be enlightening

 

For hands that want to play in 3♣:

 

Opposite a 12-14 1N I suspect no fit is most common, opposite a 15-17 I'm not so sure and would be interested to know.

[gszes]

 

 

p shows game interest opposite many weak hands so opener has a fairly exceptional hand. These exceptional hands are almost always those with lots of controls though sometimes they are merely max hands with a problem with 3n and at least a 3 card club fit. AKx Axxx Kxx Kxx or AKJ AQJ xxxx Qxx. Since 3n is still a viable option it looks best for now to proceed with a

simple

 

3d

 

 

 

While this bid does not promise a dia suit <to me anyway to others it will> (and there may be other bidding mechanisms available to the partnership that guarantee this is not a dia suit--that we are unaware of) it definitely points out a problem with 1 or both of the majors for 3n. We will have to sit and wait to see what opener says before we proceed since they know what their hand looks like a lot better than we do at this time:) If the partnership is playing these 3lvl bids as splinter then I would go ahead and bid 3h.

 

It is important to note that the 3d (or 3h) bid shows some extra values (GF at worst) since it takes more power to make 5m than 3n. This extra power (along with opener's super accept means the partnerships is at worst VERY close to slam. This shared knowledge leaves most of the 4 level open for slam exploration if the partnership needs it.

[rmnka447]

I'm following up the transfer with 3 ♦ also. It still keeps 3 NT in play, but warns partner about my hand being mostly minor cards. If partner has good major stoppers and wants to bid 3 NT fine. Otherwise, it keeps all alternatives open.

 

If you think bidding the minors gives the opponents too much information, then I'd submit that an immediate 3 NT bid certainly encourages the lead of a major anyway.