3-card game invite

[nige1]

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Imps. Precision. Do you raise to 2♥ or make a game try? (1N would not be forcing)[/hv] [hv=pc=n&s=sa32hj874dq9ckj74&d=w&v=e&b=486&a=p1s(5+ !Ss 11-15 HCP)P?]133|200|Teams. Precision. Do you raise to 2♠ or make a game-try. (1N would not be forcing)[/hv]

[Kungsgeten]

Personally I like having the good three-card raise at the 2-level. A raise to 2M then shows about 8--11 hcp. With less you have to bid the non-forcing NT. Another option is the put the 8--11 raise in the 2C or 2M-1 response, thus making the 2M raise "preemptive".

[WesleyC]

1st hand i'd make a simple raise.

 

The second hand I would happily invite if I could stop at the 2 level (eg some 2C* art method).

 

Without that possibility, i'll try 1NT, planning to jump to 3S if partner can find another bid.

[phoenix214]

I second with Kungsgeten - t.i. Like to have a 9-11 2M raise as an option so I could use it on both hands. If I do not have such an option, then simple raise with the first one(although it is close to invite) with the second would invite more - and hate myself with 3S-1 - 1N-then 3S plan is good as well if it is an option.

[gszes]

both seem to fall into my 8 plus to 11 minus constructive 2M range. See no reason to proceed perilously to the 3 level since both hand require opener to be neat the top of a min or better opener for game to make. If p cannot move over my 2M we should be happy there and maybe some trigger happy opp will try something funny rather then consider going -110.

[Trick13]

Playing transfer responses to our Precision openers we have no less than 18 distinct ways to raise partner (which is probably a tad more than we need). These hands both fall into the simple 9-11 constructive raise (no shortage, not a prime 10-11 4-card support), although we might go via 2C to show something in clubs as well (if we weren't concerned about competition). After 1M - 2M, three way game tries.

[Jinksy]

I don't know much about Precision, but given the question as stated would bid 2♥ on the first and, if these options make any sense, bid 1N on the second, planning to defer my decision. If P passes I expect 1N will play well enough. If he rebids 2M, I'll raise (assuming this is actually an invitation), over 2♦ I'll bid a wimpy 2♠, and over 2♣ I'll bid 3♠.

[jallerton]

both seem to fall into my 8 plus to 11 minus constructive 2M range. See no reason to proceed perilously to the 3 level since both hand require opener to be tippy or slightly above a minimum opener for game to make. If p cannot move over my 2M we should be happy there and maybe some trigger happy opp will try something funny rather then consider going -110.

 

Both seem to fall within my normal 7-10 range for constructive raise. The second hand is a real pile of junk compared with the high card point count.

 

 

I don't know much about Precision, but given the question as stated would bid 2♥ on the first and, if these options make any sense, bid 1N on the second, planning to defer my decision. If P passes I expect 1N will play well enough. If he rebids 2M, I'll raise (assuming this is actually an invitation), over 2♦ I'll bid a wimpy 2♠, and over 2♣ I'll bid 3♠.

 

Bidding 1NT followed by 2♠ on the second hand is extremely wimpy if you will bid the same way with a 6-count and a doubleton spade. In some of the Precision textbooks these hands used to pass the 1♠ opener, but this practice is not always followed these days.

[gwnn]

Idk. The first one is a 9-count so it's not an invite. The second is an 11- count (an ugly one I know) so it is an invite, although I'd like to bid it via 1NT. I won't stretch too much on 8-9 counts unless they actually have shape, not some stupid doubleton. I have tried not inviting on 11's but it always feels pretentious and I don't think I gained anything other than inner expert points. I don't think Precision or no Precision makes too much of a difference either unless we specifically agreed to do some sort of 8-11 raise.

[SteveMoe]

Textbook precision is 7+ - 10 for a simple raise. The first hand is a simple raise. The second hand is 11- and a 9-loser. Simple raise too.

[mikestar13]

How standard is 2NT = limit raise or slam try among Precision players these day?. It should be. There is a fairly wide range of game but no slam hands where it if best for responder to just raise to 4M. What is 3M here--limit raise equivalent strength, but with more shape and fewer high cards?