Would you bid at unfav?

[andrei]

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IMPs

 

2N would be ♥+♣

[Phil]

1!h

[wank]

Not bidding would be beyond pathetic.

 

I would rather bid a psychotic 2nt than pass.

[aguahombre]

I voted for psychotic. Which merely validates Wank's description of 2nt.

[mike777]

one pathetic pass

 

expect 1h to be the majority vote

[akwoo]

How good do the opps look? What's the state of the match? What is opps opening 1N range?

 

2N is favored if:

 

a) opps might not know how to handle it

b) we want a swing

c) opps play strong NT

 

I think I bid 2N on 2 out of 3 and 1H otherwise.

[nige1]

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IMPs

2N would be ♥+♣

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I rank

1. 1♥ = NAT Lead-directing.
2. 2♣ = NAT Lead-directing and pre-emptive,
3. Pass = NAT discrete.
4. 2N = UNT Likely to provide opponents with a blue-print of the hand if they declare and a telephone-number if they defend above the level of their game/slam.

[WesleyC]

If partner hadn't already passed, I'd take the high road with 2NT.

 

But opposite a passed hand, I think a lead directing 1H overcall is the only reasonable choice.

[GrahamJson]

My guess is that if you pass then oppo will sail into 4S, which will then go one or two off due to bad breaks.

 

I suspect that in practice I'd go with 1H, but I suspect that pass is the best call.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

yes, bidding is clear, ..., I voted 2NT, this being dead min,

the heart suit quality gets compensated by the 6th club, but

I dont have a strong feeling.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

I voted for psychotic. Which merely validates Wank's description of 2nt.

I guess, since I am also in, this makes the description even more truer,

nevermind, it is only important to have the nuts, if they double you.

[PhilG007]

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IMPs

 

2N would be ♥+♣

Ideal hand for the unusual 2NT but this would require pre-agreement or showing on a players profile.

Otherwise 1♥ is the sensible alternative.

[fourdad]

It depends on if your agreement is to play 2NT and/or Michaels as preemptive or showing a hand.

 

This hand is too strong for a preemptive 2NT, hence 1H.

[forgo]

1 heart seems most reasonable to me

[manudude03]

2NT for me, it shouldn't show a weak hand vulnerable, especially when the opponents are NV.

[Jinksy]

2N seems far more likely to help the opps than us, but it's their hand, so I want to take up space - I'll opt for 2♥, or perhaps 2♠ if we need a swing.

[kenberg]

I had not thought of 2H but I can see the point.

 

With partner as a passed hand I don't think it very likely that this is our hand. We may have a fit but if it is a good fit then they have a fit and spades outrank us. Unfav vul, so I expect we will be defending.

 

If partner has the Ax of hearts and is on lead, the Ace would be good. If partner has the Ax of clubs and is on lead, the Ace may not be so good, leading from his heart spots may be better. So I go with some number of hearts. I figured 1H, but I can see some point in 2H. Slightly risky, but in these highly shapely hands we usually get away with it.

 

Plus, since I expect we will be defending, I am not so sure o want to draw the sort of roadmat that 2NT would be. Bidding hearts might help us defend, showing all of the shape might help them bring it in.

 

I am sticking with 1H. No sense of adventure.

[rmnka447]

1 ♥ now because if partner gets on lead that's what I want led. May bid ♣ later, if possible.

[Phil]

Good example of a hand not to bid 2N on. It's 10:1 we will play this contract and showing declarer our shape will allow him to pick the hand clean. Or, we just get carted off when they do stop to x.

 

1H can be useful as a lead director. That's my call.

[msjennifer]

A 2NT overcall is not a rational bid on this hand.Normally, this bid at unfavourable vulnerability MUST promise at least TWO defensive tricks and this hand has barely ONE.Without a previous discussion a new partner will ask you "Are you ready for a penalty when you suggest playing at THREE level with this trash?.".However, a simple 1Heart overcall DOES NOT promise anything in defence and helps partner to begin with a Heart lead if LHO lands up as declarer in a 3 NT contract.The simple overcall MAY refrain them from bidding 3NT.

[miamijd]

Stop worrying so much about helping the opponents, especially at IMPs. Hands like these are all about finding your best spot and making it difficult for the opponents to find theirs. 2nt succeeds on both counts. It gets you to the right 3level spot quickly and it makes it tougher for the opponents to find spades. Who knows. Partner might have

 

xxx. xx. Axxxx . AJxx

 

in which case 5c imay make and 5s is most likely off one. You won't be happy going minus 420

 

Cheers

Mike

[GrahamJson]

Whether 2NT makes it difficult for oppo to find spades depends a lot on their standard. Good oppo are likely to have agreements which give them big advantages. For example they have two suits in which to cue bid, then they can double immediately or on the next round, in effect having the ability to play both penalty and take out.

 

It seems to me that the best argument for bidding 2NT is that if you are not going to bid it on this hand then what are you going to bid it on given that you could double with better defensive values.

[PhilG007]

2N seems far more likely to help the opps than us, but it's their hand, so I want to take up space - I'll opt for 2♥, or perhaps 2♠ if we need a swing.

I don't think the ♥ suit is long enough for a 2♥ jump overcall which should show

a 6+ suit even it does contain 3 honors one of which could fall to the Ace. 1♥ is quite sufficient.

And if partner can support the ♥...well..... :)

[helene_t]

1 ♥ now because if partner gets on lead that's what I want led. May bid ♣ later, if possible.

Wouldn't that suggest longer hearts and wanting a club lead? I mean, if you want to show your clubs at all with this shape you have to bid 2NT so failing to do so will give p some negative inference.

 

This has been an instructive thread, though. My initial thought was "2nt, wtp?" but really, it is too unlikely that the hand belongs to us. Especially is p doesn't have heart length. And if he has, 1♥ probably works just as well.

[Jinksy]

I don't think the ♥ suit is long enough for a 2♥ jump overcall which should show

a 6+ suit even it does contain 3 honors one of which could fall to the Ace. 1♥ is quite sufficient.

 

In his book on preempts, Alan Mould recalls Brian Senior opening a third seat weak 2♦ on xxxx xxx Jxx xxx. Admittedly, at this vulnerability I imagine he'd have wanted a side-suit doubleton.

 

You don't have to play an aggressive style if you don't like it, but a third seat preempt hasn't promised six of the suit since about 1970, let alone any number of honours. It is a captaining bid (which partner is not invited to respond to), so arguably it doesn't 'show' anything, any more than Stayman or RKCB need do.