Jinksy Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 ♠ A K♥ Q J 6 5 3♦ J♣ Q 10 8 6 4 You open 1♥, LHO overcalls 2♣, P bids 2♠ (forcing), which comes back to you. I don't know the vul - this was passed to me. Assume scoring is some form of imps. What's your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nullve Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 I don't think 2N is a lie in any way, but 3♠ is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 there is nothing "robust" about this 13 count. I have a great deal of pride in my spade AK and club stop but nothing much else. Bidding more than 2n seems wrong and catering to spades with no worries in clubs seems like heading in the wrong direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 I can't think of any "other" I would want to bid here. So the question is which is the least worst bad bid. I pick 2NT. I don't like it, but I like the other options less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 I'm in with the 2 NT crowd. It isn't great to have to bid it as NT may be a terrible contract because of transportation issue. But what's the alternative? OTOH, unless LHO has made a 2 ♣ overcall on a really bad suit, partner ought to have some good ♦ values and possibly something in ♥ beyond anything held in ♠. 2 ♠ was a forcing bid after all. 2 NT also frees up the whole 3 level for partner to describe his/her hand. If partner rebids a major we play game in that suit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 A VERY uncomfortable 2nt bid that may present an even worse conundrum coming up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyC Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Maybe i'm crazy, but i'm very comfortable with 2NT here. It's economical, describes my hand relatively accurately and if we have a better contract than 3NT we've got plenty of room to find it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Passing 2s would be a decent gamble particularly non vul. If you're too scared to pass of course you bid 2nt. This part is a non-question. Anything else would be ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daffydoc Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 For the one person who said pass - if thats your action hope you have a large stable of partners cause you will lose this one quickly - one CANNOT pass forcing bids and expect partner to be understanding about it - it would a a unilateral action which serious players cannot abide. Better you bid something and perhaps land in a horrible spot then be right and lose a partner. Daffydoc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zillahandp Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 3hts nothing else even close to consideration,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 For the one person who said pass - if thats your action hope you have a large stable of partners cause you will lose this one quickly - one CANNOT pass forcing bids and expect partner to be understanding about it - it would a a unilateral action which serious players cannot abide. Better you bid something and perhaps land in a horrible spot then be right and lose a partner. Daffydoc This is the standard reply (which i fully expected to get). All it shows is a lack of moral courage. Should you be trying to find the bid which has the biggest positive expectation or which has the smallest chance of annoying partner? If you make unilateral decisions too frequently you're probably a very deluded person, but sometimes constant buck-passing doesn't get the job done and someone needs to stick their neck out. If we got a bad result on the back of it, I would expect my partner to appreciate I was trying to get us the best result on the board just as I expect the same of him whenever he takes any decision, mundane or otherwise. As for the expectation from passing versus bidding on, I assess the former as having a better return on average non-vul. You should devote your time to proving me wrong. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nullve Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 This is the standard reply (which i fully expected to get). All it shows is a lack of moral courage. Should you be trying to find the bid which has the biggest positive expectation or which has the smallest chance of annoying partner? If you make unilateral decisions too frequently you're probably a very deluded person, but sometimes constant buck-passing doesn't get the job done and someone needs to stick their neck out. If we got a bad result on the back of it, I would expect my partner to appreciate I was trying to get us the best result on the board just as I expect the same of him whenever he takes any decision, mundane or otherwise.Agree. It's a kind of bridge player's fallacy, committed in almost every thread on BBF, to think that just because an action can have silly outcomes, it must be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 All it shows is a lack of moral courage. Au contraire mon chum. I've seen countless partnerships disintegrate when the partner starts overbidding to compensate for impending moral courage and if I do it twice with the same partner the Director or a committee will roll back my successes if my partner so much as flutters an eyelash before they make that forcing bid. Passing a reverse after having responded on a (the wrong) shapely 5 count is not in the same league as this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zillahandp Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Pass says i dont trust you p, great but who else is on your side at the table? Utter tosh to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourdad Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 This is the standard reply (which i fully expected to get). All it shows is a lack of moral courage. Should you be trying to find the bid which has the biggest positive expectation or which has the smallest chance of annoying partner? If you make unilateral decisions too frequently you're probably a very deluded person, but sometimes constant buck-passing doesn't get the job done and someone needs to stick their neck out. If we got a bad result on the back of it, I would expect my partner to appreciate I was trying to get us the best result on the board just as I expect the same of him whenever he takes any decision, mundane or otherwise. As for the expectation from passing versus bidding on, I assess the former as having a better return on average non-vul. You should devote your time to proving me wrong. "moral courage" What the heck is that in a card game? Are you a lawyer? How could lying to you partner be "moral" anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nullve Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 "moral courage" What the heck is that in a card game? Are you a lawyer? How could lying to you partner be "moral" anything?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courage, especially: "Courage (also called bravery, bravado or valour) is the choice and willingness to confront agony, pain, danger, uncertainty or intimidation. Physical courage is courage in the face of physical pain, hardship, death or threat of death, while moral courage is the ability to act rightly in the face of popular opposition, shame, scandal, discouragement, or personal loss." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zillahandp Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Try foolhardy, lack of discipline, incomptence not courage, Courage is not the right word, treachery, cowardice , deserting your only friend, Or better still very very bad bridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akwoo Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 I don't think pass is right unless LHO is a very sound overcaller, but I don't think it's terrible. However, if partner wants to pass on these hands, I think we're better off playing non-forcing free bids (and I'm happy to play them). This isn't an annoyance at breaking agreements so much as a recognition that we should be playing systems that match our natural inclinations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyC Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Should you be trying to find the bid which has the biggest positive expectation or which has the smallest chance of annoying partner? As for the expectation from passing versus bidding on, I assess the former as having a better return on average non-vul. You should devote your time to proving me wrong. Although I agree in principle that both partners should be allowed to sometimes take speculative action, the fact that you are proposing to pass 2S on this hand suggests that maybe you're not ready for that kind of power... ;) Partner should have a relatively sound 2S bid because they have the option to double 2C and then convert to 2S and if partner has stretched in terms of HCP, then then they should have short clubs, extra spade length or both! If partner rebids a non-forcing 3S, you have an obvious 4S raise. Finally, holding 2 keycards and a diamond control, slam is absolutely in the picture. How about [QJT9xxx AKx xxx ---] or something similar? If I held an actual minimum hand like [xx KQxxx Kx Kxxx] AND I had a hint from RHO's tempo that they might have some values, then pass *might* have some merit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 ♠ A K♥ Q J 6 5 3♦ J♣ Q 10 8 6 4 You open 1♥, LHO overcalls 2♣, P bids 2♠ (forcing), which comes back to you. I don't know the vul - this was passed to me. Assume scoring is some form of imps. What's your call? I rank2N = NAT. Perhaps they won't lead a ♦.3♠ = NAT. Susceptible to ♣ ruffs but could well win the post-mortem.3♥ = NAT but daft.3♣ = UCB and demented.Other e.g. Wank's Pass (or an urgent telephone summons) might be best of all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 As for the expectation from passing versus bidding on, I assess the former as having a better return on average non-vul. You should devote your time to proving me wrong. It's obviously impossible to 'prove' you wrong, but I think you are wrong. You want to pass if partner has some 10-count with 5 spades that will pass 2NT.Any time partner has six spades, I think it will be percentage to be bidding on because he is strong enough not to start with a double then bid spades non-forcing (which he isn't going to do with the 5251 11-count that you are worried about). Your hand basically isn't that bad. If partner has a game force, I would expect to make game. Boring hands like QJxxx Ax KQ109x x (yes I know about the cunning diamond pips) will make 3NT in practice. QJ10xxx Ax AQxx x is a perfectly acceptable 4S contract. To me, that makes the odds on pass very poor at imps. Give yourself A QJxxx KJ Q10xxx and I have far more sympathy with passing, even though 3NT is still likely odds on if we bid it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted March 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 The auction probably stays interesting whatever you bid. Both hands: [hv=pc=n&w=sqt9543hak9daq8cj&e=sakhqj653djcqt864&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=p1h2c2sp]266|200[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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