Trick13 Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 (1) (1NT) X (2♥*) 2NT X is penalties2♥ is transfer What is 2NT? (2) (1NT) X (2♥) 2NT X is penalties2♥ is natural Is this the same? !NT was 12-14 if it matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 Well, it depends. The first question here is whether pass would have been forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trick13 Posted March 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 Well, it depends. The first question here is whether pass would have been forcing.By advancer?? Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 The first question is what is 1NT? If strong NT, then 2N is either an invitation to game (not so common anymore) or Lebensohl, depending on your agreements. If weak NT, then 2N shows a strong 2-suiter. See: http://bridgewinners.com/article/view/taming-the-weak-notrump-part-1/andhttp://bridgewinners.com/article/view/taming-the-weak-notrump-part-2/ The answer does not change if the 2♥ bid is natural or a transfer. What changes is which two suits are likely behind the two-suited 2N advance in their weak NT auction. The transfer by responder has not yet limited their hand. The natural 2♥ bid did limit their hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 By advancer?? Nope. i don't myself, but lots of people play pass as forcing after a penalty double of 1nt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trick13 Posted March 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 i don't myself, but lots of people play pass as forcing after a penalty double of 1ntSo I discover reading the article quoted by SteveMoe. I don't like the sound of it. On this hand, partner had a balanced 1-count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourdad Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 it is whatever you and your partner agreed it is!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 sort of similar and natural/invitational (2 quick tricks up to say a poor 10) with the first sequence promising a spade stop and the 2nd promising a heart stop and little desire to penalize (stiff ace for ex). Some feel this is too small a target and prefer the 2n to show the minors or even prefer 2n to be leb. PARTNERSHIP rules:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jallerton Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 The first question is what is 1NT? If strong NT, then 2N is either an invitation to game (not so common anymore) or Lebensohl, depending on your agreements. If weak NT, then 2N shows a strong 2-suiter. See: http://bridgewinners.com/article/view/taming-the-weak-notrump-part-1/andhttp://bridgewinners.com/article/view/taming-the-weak-notrump-part-2/ The answer does not change if the 2♥ bid is natural or a transfer. What changes is which two suits are likely behind the two-suited 2N advance in their weak NT auction. The transfer by responder has not yet limited their hand. The natural 2♥ bid did limit their hand. It does not follow from the fact that someone has written an article on Bridgewinners that everyone else has to play their suggested meaning for a sequence. In fact you seem to have misread the article. The authors point out that (1NT)-dbl-(Pass)-2NT implies a 2-suiter but they suggest playing (1NT)-dbl-(2♥)2NT as Lebensohl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 i don't myself, but lots of people play pass as forcing after a penalty double of 1nt The other variant is to play pass forcing over 2m but not over 2M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 It doesn't seem like you need Lebensohl over an exit transfer, since you can just X 2♥ to show values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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