Gazzilli query

[sakuragi]

What is the treatment if responder hand is a natural 2d response? e.g.

1S--1NT--2C!(Gazzilli)--?

 

Responder holding

♠x ♥xxx ♦KJxxxx ♣Jxx

[mgoetze]

Good hand for reverse Gazzilli, where 1♠-1NT-2♣ shows 16+ or 11-15 with 6+ spades. In that case, you can bid 2♠.

 

Playing standard Gazzilli, this may be a 2NT rebid, depending how you defined that, else you'll have to bid 3♦.

[nullve]

Playing standard Gazzilli, this may be a 2NT rebid, depending how you defined that, else you'll have to bid 3♦.

Assuming

 

1♠-1N; 2♣ = "11-15", 4+ C / "16+", any,

 

I've always thought standard rebids by Responder are something like

 

2♦ = "8+", any [GF opposite the strong option]

2♥+ = "5-7", nat.

Specifically:

2♥ = "5-7", 5+ H

2♠ = "5-7", 2S4-H [also with "4-6", 3 S if you play 1♠-2♠ as constructive]

2N = "5-7", 5+D4+C or 4H5+D, usually 1- S [=> 3♣ = to play opposite 4+ C (=> P = 4+ C; 3♦ = 4H3-C)]

3♣ = "5-7", 4-H4-D5+C, usually 1- S

3♦ = "5-7", 3-H6+D4-C, usually 1- S

 

Notice that hands with 5-7, 1444 are unbiddable on this interpretation.

[fromageGB]

3♦. But I prefer pass to 1NT. If I am sub-minimum I like a get-out in partner's major.

[gwnn]

Assuming

 

1♠-1N; 2♣ = "11-15", 4+ C / "16+", any,

 

I've always thought standard rebids by Responder are something like

 

2♦ = "8+", any [GF opposite the strong option]

2♥+ = "5-7", nat.

Specifically:

2♥ = "5-7", 5+ H

2♠ = "5-7", 2S4-H [also with "4-6", 3 S if you play 1♠-2♠ as constructive]

2N = "5-7", 5+D4+C or 4H5+D, usually 1- S [=> 3♣ = to play opposite 4+ C (=> P = 4+ C; 3♦ = 4H3-C)]

3♣ = "5-7", 4-H4-D5+C, usually 1- S

3♦ = "5-7", 3-H6+D4-C, usually 1- S

 

Notice that hands with 5-7, 1444 are unbiddable on this interpretation.

I was playing 2N=minors, so you'd squeeze 1444 there. Also, everything other than 2♠ was showing 0-1 spades. It's possibly better to keep the 2H response a bit vaguer but OK. This was standard Gazzilli in Iceland, called "Hexan", I think from originally Sweden, but not sure how widespread there, or in N Europe or anywhere else in Europe.

[rhm]

I was playing 2N=minors, so you'd squeeze 1444 there. Also, everything other than 2♠ was showing 0-1 spades. It's possibly better to keep the 2H response a bit vaguer but OK. This was standard Gazzilli in Iceland, called "Hexan", I think from originally Sweden, but not sure how widespread there, or in N Europe or anywhere else in Europe.

I feel responder should give better definition of his heart length when he has less than 8 points after 1♠-1NT-2♣.

 

So 2NT = 4 hearts precisely and at most 1 spade, less than 8 HCP. Accordingly the bid shows 8-9 cards in the minors.

3♣ shows 4 or more clubs, no 4 cards in hearts and 9 or more cards in the minors.

3♦ shows 6 or more diamonds, no 4 cards in hearts.

After 3m opener will bid 3♥ only with 5.

 

This provides slightly less definition on the minors, but better definition of the hearts.

Over 2NT opener with 4 or more hearts has excellent information to decide whether to play 3♥ or 4♥ or in exceptional cases even 6♥.

Minor suit games are a long way off if responder has less than 8 HCP.

 

Rainer Herrmann

[gwnn]

I feel responder should give better definition of his heart length when he has less than 8 points after 1♠-1NT-2♣.

 

So 2NT = 4 hearts precisely and at most 1 spade, less than 8 HCP. Accordingly the bid shows 8-9 cards in the minors.

3♣ shows 4 or more clubs, no 4 cards in hearts and 9 or more cards in the minors.

3♦ shows 6 or more diamonds, no 4 cards in hearts.

After 3m opener will bid 3♥ only with 5.

 

This provides slightly less definition on the minors, but better definition of the hearts.

Over 2NT opener with 4 or more hearts has excellent information to decide whether to play 3♥ or 4♥ or in exceptional cases even 6♥.

Minor suit games are a long way off if responder has less than 8 HCP.

This is pretty cool, thanks. Makes much more sense!

[awm]

Back to the original question rather than people using customized Gazilli versions:

 

1. It is usual to play 2NT as weak with both minors and a diamond preference, and 3♦ as simply weak with a long suit. The given hand would bid 3♦.

2. With doubleton spade it is often better to bid 2♠ rather than try to introduce your diamonds, since you will have to go to the three-level to do so.

[The Pud]

I play 1♠-1NT-2♣ as 11-16 ♠ & ♥ or 17+

So 2♥ is preference on any 4+card suit or 13(45)

That way 2NT is 5-5 minors & 3m is 6-cards

You can play 3♥⁺ as showing 6-card heart suit and a positive

[nullve]

I play 1♠-1NT-2♣ as 11-16 ♠ & ♥ or 17+

So 2♥ is preference on any 4-card suit or 13(45)

That way 2NT is 5-5 minors & 3m is 6-cards

One of the things I thought I had invented, too. Then I read this:

 

http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/topic/16847-modified-gazilli/