Only 3+ Clubs?

[1eyedjack]

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MP, Instant, 34.

 

North can perhaps be forgiven for passing throughout if he believes the explanation of South's 2H. But in what universe does 2H promise anything less than a 5 card Club suit here?

[iandayre]

I don't think it's fair for any of us now to continually bash the original programmer, Mr. Ginsburg, for GIB's bidding faults, especially since he's not here to defend himself. But this is a very common problem with GIB explanations, so I think we know the answer to your question, and many, many others like it.

 

I had a huge 0355 hand recently. 1 opened 1D and the opponents had bid to 4S by the time it got back to me. I aggressively jumped to 6C and GIB passed with 5D and 2C!. Those who bid 5C were fortunate enough to get the preference. For the record 6D was nearly cold despite ZERO high cards in partner's hand.

[cloa513]

Who mentioned Ginsberg. Its been plenty of time since BBO bought GIB to totally re-mediate it but never done.

[lycier]

" Only 3+ clubs? ", yes, Gibs have no problem on it here since Gibs don't play walsh responding. Reverse 2♥ was not good, bidding 2♣ should be a good auction.

Sorry, IMO, I strongly think such discussing on such worse bidding sequences really have no practical significance.

[1eyedjack]

" Only 3+ clubs? ", yes, Gibs have no problem on it here since Gibs don't play walsh responding. Reverse 2♥ was not good, bidding 2♣ should be a good auction.

Sorry, IMO, I strongly think such discussing on such worse bidding sequences really have no practical significance.

If 2H was not good bidding, please post a hand suitable for 2H

And I mean in real life, not in GIB. Given that the purpose of the OP was to criticise GIB, we should not be using GIB treatment as the yardstick against which to measure what is sensible.

[Bbradley62]

" Only 3+ clubs? ", yes, Gibs have no problem on it here since Gibs don't play walsh responding. Reverse 2♥ was not good, bidding 2♣ should be a good auction. Sorry, IMO, I strongly think such discussing on such worse bidding sequences really have no practical significance.

 

(1) Does Walsh have anything to do with this auction? (2) This is how I would have posted the question...

 

 

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MP, Instant, 34.

 

On this auction, shouldn't North expect South to have 5+ clubs and 4+ hearts? Having already passed twice, isn't he worth a 3♣ bid over 2♠?

[1eyedjack]

I don't see a material difference between the presentations, other than that my post invited the "distraction" of criticism of my 2H bid to which I have no objection, as on this occasion I am content that my bid was straight down the middle standard, along with the meaning that I, if not GIB, assigned to it.

 

I invited Lycier to post a hand which he considers appropriate for 2H. I am still waiting.

[1eyedjack]

Still waiting.

[iandayre]

Still waiting.

 

Of course you were right that 2H showed longer Clubs. I don't see that Walsh, played or not, has anything to do with it.