tsankaR Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 ♠A♥void♦AKQ9xx♣KQxxxx ♠KJxxx♥Ax♦Tx♣ATxx dealer south, N/S vul E/W non-vul. scoring MP. west is void in ♦ bidding is 1S-4h[west]. how to continue? should north dbl? is 4NT by north now ace asking or tell p to bid minors. Or should north bid 5c and then 5d, asking p to pick a suit 7c by south makes. 7c by north may make. we played in 6d. 1s-4h-4nt-5d-6d. 4nt=p meant minors, i took it as ace asking Sankar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 I think 4NT should be pick a minor, and I would choose that. Also south has 14 cards. edit: ok, I see you fixed that, and also altered the hands a little so that south clearly has his bid. My vote for 4NT is unchanged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 Realize the silliness of 4c/d bids as choices when 4h is higher. Preempts work. Neg x though 5s (my preferred limit) shows a pretty darn powerful minor 2 suited hand. Opener has a large club fit and while the KJ of spades are of dubious value surely the fact that we have two quick tricks (plus ruffing dia value) should be more than enough to make a positive noise rather than simply settling for a mere preference 5c. 5h (cue) showing a large (unknown) fit seems a far better idea than a mere 5c preference with our 2 quick tricks and possible ruffing value in diamonds. Responder now bids 5n and while this is GSF it is merely asking opener for 1 of the top 3 honors in either minor to bid 7 of their preferrend trump suit.6h follows to show the heart ace and a top minor honor (just in case 7n is reasonable) (6n would show both major aces) 7c (POC) by responder is finally passed out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 oops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 Prefer 4N to be RKC after we open a major so that's not available to me. 4N is useful as a takeout over 1H (4S) or 1S (4H) but it's pointless over 1M (4m). I'd bid 5N. If partner bids 6m I bid 7 but I'm guessing over 6S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 How can north go slamming? Sure has nice hand but a lot in ♠ and South may just have a semi-balanced minimum.4♠X looks like the spot from North's point of view.If 7♣ is there it is up to South to make a move.Remember 4♠ chewed up a lot of space 7♣ wont be easy to find so don't feel disappointed.4♠ has not been bid. Hence 4♠x is not available. Prefer 4N to be RKC after we open a major so that's not available to me. 4N is useful as a takeout over 1H (4S) or 1S (4H) but it's pointless over 1M (4m). I'd bid 5N. If partner bids 6m I bid 7 but I'm guessing over 6S.1♠(4♥) is the auction that occurred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 Dealer south, N/S vul E/W non-vul. scoring MP. ♠ A ♥-♦ A K Q 9 x x ♣ K Q x x x x♠ K J x x x ♥ A x ♦ T x ♣ A T x x1♠ (4♥ ?? how to continue? should north dbl? is 4NT by north now ace asking or tell p to bid minors. Or should no rth bid 4c and then 5d, asking p to pick a suitWest is void in ♦7♣ by south makes. 7♣ by north may make. we played in 6♦. 1♠ (4♥) 4N-5♦-6♦. 4N = p meant minors, i took it as ace asking tsankaR did well, It depends on partnership agreement but I prefer - Double = T/O.Double = T/O.- 4N = RKC for ♠. Although that might not work well here.You also need to agree the meanings of 5♥5♠ and5N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 1♠(4♥) is the auction that occurred. I'm aware of that but I probably wasn't clear. It's bad policy to assign exceptions to infrequent sequences. So, I'm willing to trade some mild advantages here for never having an accident. 1M (4x) 4N is always RKC without exception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 So, I'm willing to trade some mild advantages here for never having an accident. 1M (4x) 4N is always RKC without exception.Mikeh's agreement here is that 4NT is RKCB over 4m and 2 places over 4M and that seems to be precisely what you would like to be playing. Is that really too much more of an exception than opening 1M with 5+ and 1m with 3+? I think you are experienced enough to handle it Phil! B-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsankaR Posted February 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 I think 4NT should be pick a minor, and I would choose that. Then what will you bid for ace asking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourdad Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 5♦ is forcing and communicates strength AND a slam while still searching for a fit.6♣ by S (again defining the shape and count of hand) and slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 4N would ask aces for us, so I'd bid 5N. I think I'd raise 6♣ to 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daffydoc Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 With my regular partner at national events - Pecoks - we have an explicit agreement that 4NT on this auction is minors. So easy to bid 4NT - the problem will be to bid 7 - a problem that many might solve by blasting after 5C response( an enterprising partner might bid 6C with heart ace and 4clubs to A - then 7 is easy. daffydoc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caitlynne Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 I think the world would assume that 4NT is some form of Blackwood. It is a high frequency use in a preemptive auction like this. Though I don't think I have ever seen it presented as "standard and normal" in any book, I have been taught an agreement about this: 5NT for the two unbid suits, with 6H becoming the Grand Slam Force convention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zillahandp Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 None f the list, 5hts stands out a mile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 None f the list, 5hts stands out a mile. To me 5♥ leaves spades more in the equation than 5N which is why I would choose 5N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zillahandp Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Cyber if it does the i will transfer to it so 6c is the clear bid from south no risk as spades can be bid over 6c. Sry mate at this level its a guess so ask for info with 5hts how can 6c be wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zillahandp Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Oh and could 5nt be seen as a gsf in spades, possibly, hence risky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zillahandp Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 And unt after p has bid very odd system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsankaR Posted February 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 None f the list, 5hts stands out a mile. 5H denotes spades support or exclusion key card asking with spades as suit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 Mikeh's agreement here is that 4NT is RKCB over 4m and 2 places over 4M and that seems to be precisely what you would like to be playing. Is that really too much more of an exception than opening 1M with 5+ and 1m with 3+? I think you are experienced enough to handle it Phil! B-) Wel Zel I do have these entities called partners...:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 Cyber if it does the i will transfer to it so 6c is the clear bid from south no risk as spades can be bid over 6c. Sry mate at this level its a guess so ask for info with 5hts how can 6c be wrong? Can't understand what you're saying at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 Whatever 4nt is, I would bid 5N as Stephen grand slam forcing to let opener pick up a minor. It is not difficult to reach 7♣. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 Wel Zel I do have these entities called partners...:)Yeah, bridge is annoying like that! :lol: Perhaps you could persuade Mike to come back and start up a partnership with him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 Yeah, bridge is annoying like that! :lol: Perhaps you could persuade Mike to come back and start up a partnership with him... I have CHOs mostly :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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