Slam methods

[antonylee]

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Thoughts? At the table, we reached 4H+3 for a near-top after I jumped to 3H in an (questionable?) attempt to rightside 3N and they failed to lead a trump.

The optimal spot seems to be 6H at MPs and 6D at IMPs.

[steve2005]

your hand is worth 7 tricks.

Its worth 7 trick in NT if you bid 3♥ partner will often raise on 1, your hand still taking 7 tricks you contracting for 10 instead of 9.

 

If you bid 2N or 3N partner will take his long suits into account. your hand may now be worth more than 7 tricks if there is a side fit

[Cyberyeti]

Think I'd rather be in 6♦ even at MPs, 6♥ demands a 4-3 break, 6♦ has plenty of chances when they're 5-2, and I'm not convinced the field bids the slam.

 

Our auction wouldn't help you too much as we can start 1♥-1♠-1N(15-bad 19)-3♦ to show at least 5-5 and we're off to the races in ♦ now.

[dave_beer]

Assuming I pass with the N hand, my auction would start:

P - 1♥

1♠ -2NT¹

3♦² -3NT³

4♦⁴

 

(1) Least of evils choice. Good hand for Gazzilli but I have assumed it is not available.

(2) Checkback for additional undisclosed major suit length (but can be natural if rest of auction is inconsistent with that)

(3) Denies both 6-card ♥ suit and 3-card ♠ support

(4) Natural and at least mild slam try. Can't be too strong given initial pass.

 

At this point S has to decide between signing off in 4♠ or making counter-try of 4♥.

[ggwhiz]

Old school bidding does the job

 

p - 1♥

1♠ - 2nt

3♣* - 3♦ *checkback stayman, creates a game force

4♦ - 4 whatever

5♣, cue - diamond slam

 

Even if opener decides to treat the hand as worth a 6 card heart suit and bids 3♥ over the checkback, a forcing 4♦ bid should get you there.

 

Somebody like Bergen or Kantar once wrote that right siding a contract was way down on their priority list early in the auction and I can't see an easy route to slam without a 2nt rebid.

[daffydoc]

3H is misdirected and just wrong - while i am sure no one is thrilled with 2nt at least it gets shape and strength correct - now whatever methods u play should be able to find 6d - personally I like and play transfers - so would bid 3H xfer to 3s and then bid 4d - and 5D over 4s pref - gets across shape and slam interesl - have run out of room for more exploration. daffydoc

[apollo1201]

I wish I have the nerves to pass N's hand. At least I could show a /-suiter next... In all cases, I would also try to rightside NT's by probably rebidding a GF 3D bid as S (a bit low but lots of taking trick power). Partner will not leave me until he's sure 7 has no play!

[Phil]

If the spades and diamonds were switched in North I might open but I'm not really tempted to. So:

 

1h 1h

2N 4d

 

Is a good start.

[Jinksy]

If the spades and diamonds were switched in North I might open but I'm not really tempted to. So:

 

1h 1h

2N 4d

 

Is a good start.

 

Well, for a sufficiently low value of 'good' :P

[PhantomSac]

1H 1S 2N 3D 3H seems like a good/normal start to the auction.

 

North should like his potential a lot in that case, south often has some club weakness for the 3H bid (probably 3N with clubs double stopped).

[foobar]

A possible auction starting with our strong ♣:

 

1♣....1♥ (16+; 4+♠,~5-10 HCPs)

1N....2♥ (Bal, not GF; transfer)

2♠...3♦ (Accepting transfer; Natural GF showing 5+)

3N....4♦ (Suggesting contract; Natural)

4♥....5♣ (Presumably cue; cue)

6♦

[kenberg]

I like the 1H-1S-2NT-3D-3H auction. Some pairs have elaborate, and artificial, devices after 1H-1S-2NT but most of us don't. Surely we need to be able to show a minor. This a dramatic case of the need, but less dramatic cases occur often. After the 3D bid, as I like to play, 3S would be a three card spade fit, 3NT would be very passable, and anything else indicates acceptance or enthusiasm for diamonds. (Given that he bid 2NT he must be reasonably comfortable either with diamonds or with rebidding 3NT on hands where he lacks three spades). Once opener knows of the diamond fit, it should not be difficult to reach 6.

 

I am not claiming Phantom sees the 1H-1S-2NT-3D-3H in exactly this way, but at any rate it sounds good to me.

[Fluffy]

If the spades and diamonds were switched in North I might open but I'm not really tempted to. So:

 

1h 1h

2N 4d

 

Is a good start.

 

I was going to say 4♦ is autosplinter, but given that partner bid hearts before you I wonder if it is the right name.

[Fluffy]

1H 1S 2N 3D 3H seems like a good/normal start to the auction.

 

North should like his potential a lot in that case, south often has some club weakness for the 3H bid (probably 3N with clubs double stopped).

North still needs to find that south has 3/4 on ♠AK, ♥A ♦A, with ♠Q or ♦J to catter for third round of spades without risk for the slam to be really good. Not a big problem because as soon as norht makes any move south will take control.

 

For me 3♦ is at least 5-5, and I'd like to think I would directly raise diamonds with south's hand.

[MinorKid]

1♥-1♠-

2NT-3♦*- *: checkback

3NT-4♦-

 

The trick is make a bid to agree ♦ at this level.

[mike777]

I would try 2d after 1s, not perfect but hopefully I deny a minimum

of course this means I should try and avoid rebidding 2d with some minimum 5-4

 

I understand the urge to rebid 2nt but prefer 2d as more suit oriented

[nige1]

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Thoughts? At the table, we reached 4H+3 for a near-top after I jumped to 3H in an (questionable?) attempt to rightside 3N and they failed to lead a trump.

The optimal spot seems to be 6H at MPs and 6D at IMPs.[/hv]

Don't know how to reach a red slam but dislike a 2N rebid by opener. Prefer 2♦ or even antonylee's 3♥. This hand is also a good candidate for Gazzilli

[rhm]

Don't know how to reach a red slam but dislike a 2N rebid by opener. Prefer antonylee's 3♥.

Why?

Hindsight?

I do like 2NT.

 

I understand the urge to rebid 2nt but prefer 2d as more suit oriented

Is it?

I would call the North hand "suit oriented".

 

Rainer Herrmann

[rhm]

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[wanoff]

Why?

Hindsight?

I do like 2NT.

 

Rainer Herrmann

 

I have to agree. South should show his hand type in the first instance - which is balanced.

3♦ would be a very interesting development whether playing 4cd or 5cd majors, and showing a full on slam try or trying to warn against 3nt with shape.

South is suitable for either of these types.

[creatbid]

3♥ is mush better than 2nt for S because most of his hcps are on a single suit - ♥. But I still can't conjecture any possible and reasonable bidding to get a slam. After N bid 4♦ to deny ♥supports and to show a distributed hand(5+♠ and 5+♦), what's the way for him to tell his ♣control to S？By 5♣？And generally S daren't try slams(the only way is rkcb)on his own with 3 keys only, especially after N passed first. Even though S plays rkcb to go on and stop at 5♦ immediately with 1 key only on N, is it easy for N to raise to 6D although he has void♣？6♦ can be interesting, but not contract bridge. 6♥ is just a joke made by a selfish bidder with great luck.

[nige1]

Why? Hindsight? I do like 2NT.

Many would argue that the hand is too strong for a 3♥ rebid. The accusation of "Hindsight" seems inappropriate, however, because a 3♥ rebid doesn't seem to facilitate bidding a slam.

 

Nevertheless, I accept that, here, rhm and PhantomSac champion the main-stream view. My misgiving about a 2N rebid is that the hand has no lead-value. The lack of a ♣ stop is less important.

[the_clown]

I would open 3♠ as North, raised to 4. Doesnt look very good on this hand.