your call IMPs red vs white

[PhantomSac]

Passing against white red opps seems sweet. What could go wrong? If I pass lho will pass if we have game since he needs 6 points to respond. after his expected pass partner will balance so it's all good. if lho responds I'm well placed knowing they have 12+ opp 6+. I can just make a takeout double of hearts and play in 3 of a minor without fear of missing game.

[PhantomSac]

I was convinced by his arguments. You can google his bridge results yourself.

 

his arguments were made about a hand with a bad 5 card suit and 12 points. this hand has a good 17 points and a bad 5 card suit. they are such different hands it's hard for me to imagine even discussing them on the same breath. the better your hand is the more likely

you should be willing to bid even with a bad suit, this should be obvious, the biggest upside esp r/w at imps is getting to a game. if you start with a pass it is very hard to get to game later unless you bid at least twice which forces you quite high and is inconsistent.

 

living in fear of over calling at the 2 level with a hand this strong is just crazy. I live in fear of passing with such a great hand and letting them have make the first two bids at favorable vul. no I wouldn't overcall this hand minus an ace but that is a completely different discussion!!!

[mgoetze]

1N will come out OK unless partner has exactly 5 hearts and not enough to invite.

How about when he has QT8xxx of hearts and enough to bid game?

[gwnn]

his arguments were made about a hand with a bad 5 card suit and 12 points. this hand has a good 17 points and a bad 5 card suit. they are such different hands it's hard for me to imagine even discussing them on the same breath. the better your hand is the more likely

you should be willing to bid even with a bad suit, this should be obvious, the biggest upside esp r/w at imps is getting to a game. if you start with a pass it is very hard to get to game later unless you bid at least twice which forces you quite high and is inconsistent.

I know, didn't mean to say that the two situations are the same. Just that I'm OK with overcalling on that hand (well something like that hand, not necessarily that weak) so the same arguments must hold more on this one.