jallerton Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 [hv=pc=n&s=sjhaj962dak83cak2&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=p1hp1sp3dp3sp3np5sp]133|200[/hv] Matchpoints, playing standard methods. 1. What do you consider to be a typical hand for partner's actions on this auction?2. What call do you make now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanoff Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 1. Invitational for tops and the ♠J will plug a gap.Say KQ109xx x Qxx Qxx 2. 6♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 I ask myself how this differs from his bidding 5S directly over 3D and the answer is that I don't know. Nonetheless, I don't think I am supposed to worry about my spades. I think we are taking seven spade tricks and my five tops, so my only concern is whether we might belong in 7S or 6/7 NT. Maybe 6C will get us to the right spot. At least it makes him the goat if we choose wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 The two questions in play by responder are: What's the quality of your spade holding, and Do you have control of the club suit. Without discussion and agreement it's easy to get this one wrong. In the situation I would surmise that bidding spades 3 times asks about clubs, and not spades. So 6♠ it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 I think it depends on what, in standard methods, 4NT would be in place of 5♠. If this is ace asking in spades, then with 3 top spades he might have done that. 5♠ is therefore a hand not that good. But is AKQxxxx,xx,xx,xx good enough to ask opposite a random 17 count. Not really, so he could be like this. Is the addition of a Q or two ace-asking material? Yes. So I will not worry about 7♠/NT, and accept the invitation with 6♠. I am expecting a loser in a major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 it's just a natural invitation to 6s. nothing more complicated. in this case you have an easy acceptance. i'm expecting something like akt9xxx x xx qxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 I'm bidding 6 ♠. Partner has shown ♠ length and invited slam. You have a ♠ honor, all the outside 1st round control, and 5+ cover cards. Since there's no way to know if there's a ♠ loser or not, 6 ♠ seems right. If partner thinks 7 should be bid with your hand then maybe you both can discuss how to get there afterward. For now, just choose the good versus perfect result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramticket Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 If 6S is making, then 6NT is surely making too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jallerton Posted January 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 I think it depends on what, in standard methods, 4NT would be in place of 5♠. If this is ace asking in spades, then with 3 top spades he might have done that. 5♠ is therefore a hand not that good. But is AKQxxxx,xx,xx,xx good enough to ask opposite a random 17 count. Not really, so he could be like this. Is the addition of a Q or two ace-asking material? Yes. So I will not worry about 7♠/NT, and accept the invitation with 6♠. I am expecting a loser in a major. In standard methods, unless specifically agreed otherwise, raising a natural 3NT to 4NT is natural and invitational. If 6S is making, then 6NT is surely making too? Is it? What example hands for Responder did you have in mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 [hv=pc=n&s=sjhaj962dak83cak2&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=p1hp1sp3dp3sp3np5sp]133|200|Matchpoints, playing standard methods.1. What do you consider to be a typical hand for partner's actions on this auction?2. What call do you make now?[/hv] Kenberg asks "what's the difference between this auction and bidding 5♠ directly over 3♦?". I don't know either. But I agree with Steve Moe that partner is unlikely to be worried about ♠s after the actual auction. He might even be asking for keys. Whatever he has shown, your hand is slam-suitable. I rank6♣ = Canny grand slam try. Partner probably has ♠ A K Q7♠ = Swashbuckling..6♠ = Sloppy.Pass = Pathetic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monikrazy Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 7N. Going to assume partner is bidding correctly and not giving us a torture bid for no good reason. Partner seems heavily favored to have AKxxxx(x)(x) type handsWith a hand like KQTxxx(x) he had 3 chances to bid 4S. Even if we are slightly optimistic on our evaluation, a grand still shouldn't require more than a finesse. Also somewhat important to our decision is what 3N - >5N would mean. If we have a clear understanding that that bid is forcing to slam and invite to grand only then do I consider not bidding directly to the 7 level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 7♠ is safer than 7N on some layouts. For example partner has ♠ A K Q x x x x ♥ x ♦ x x ♣ J x x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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