9Ayy Posted December 24, 2015 Report Share Posted December 24, 2015 第一副 [hv=pc=n&w=sk8hajt3dak85cj83&d=e&v=e&b=6&a=pp1n2hdp]133|200[/hv] 开叫人可以pass? 第2副 [hv=pc=n&e=sqt742h7dq97632ca&d=e&v=e&b=6&a=pp1n2h]133|200[/hv] 应叫人该怎么叫? 第3副 [hv=pc=n&w=s84hkq32da3caq985&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=p1np2cp2hp3ddpp4dp4hp6hppp]133|200[/hv] 1. 3♦被加倍后开叫人该怎么叫?pass是什么意思?再加被又是什么意思?2. 4♦是低花木吗? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted December 24, 2015 Report Share Posted December 24, 2015 没法讨论。您应该说明2♥的具体含义。还要说明叫牌人的水平和体系。过去我们上过当,有人拿自认为是高手的叫牌序列为题讨论,我们讨论来去和实际的牌面相差很大,因为我们打Walsh的2/1,那位不打Walsh的,是旧标准体系。另外我们要自私一点,只讨论我们自己的问题,不关心别人的事情。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted December 24, 2015 Report Share Posted December 24, 2015 http://i64.tinypic.com/2j0o65v.gifPlease everyone look at an example : 2015 Junior USBC U26 USA2 F- Segment 3 of 4 Open Room :[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?sn=Kriegel&s=SA64H8732DJ64CQT7&wn=Munger&w=SQ75HAKJ6DQTCKJ65&nn=Tebha&n=SJT932H9D97532C93&en=Gong&e=SK8HQT54DAK8CA842&d=n&v=e&b=9&a=P1NP2CP2HP4D(BAL%20%21h%20slam%20try)P4NP5HP6HPPP&p=H2HAH9H4HKD7H5H3H6S2HQH7HTH8HJD2S5S3SKS4CAC7C5C3C4CQCKC9&c=12]400|300[/hv] 6♥E= 1430 4♦=♥ balance slam try Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9Ayy Posted December 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 [hv=pc=n&s=sj965hk62dt4cq652&w=sk8hajt3dak85cj83&n=sa3hq9854djckt974&e=sqt742h7dq97632ca&d=e&v=e&b=6&a=pp1n2hdppp]399|300[/hv]结果2♥X -1我pass了同伴的加倍,是不是错了? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9Ayy Posted December 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 [hv=pc=n&s=sj75h84dqt9874cj3&w=s84hkq32da3caq985&n=st932ht9djckt7642&e=sakq6haj765dk652c&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=p1np2cp2hp3ddpp4dp4hp6hppp]399|300[/hv]结果6♥+13♦ 我认为是♦的满贯兴趣,opp加倍3♦后同伴再叫4♦,我迷糊了,就叫了个4♥等待。丢了个大满贯。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 [hv=pc=n&s=sj965hk62dt4cq652&w=sk8hajt3dak85cj83&n=sa3hq9854djckt974&e=sqt742h7dq97632ca&d=e&v=e&b=6&a=pp1n2hdppp]399|300[/hv]结果2♥X -1我pass了同伴的加倍,是不是错了?半对半错第一感,觉得不太像你犯的错误。如果局况有利,敌有局我无局,我愿意pass视其为合作性惩罚性加倍。反过来我更愿意视为技术性加倍,我知道同伴必有4张♠,不能pass。个人意见,仅供参考。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 [hv=pc=n&s=sj75h84dqt9874cj3&w=s84hkq32da3caq985&n=st932ht9djckt7642&e=sakq6haj765dk652c&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=p1np2cp2hp3ddpp4dp4hp6hppp]399|300[/hv]结果6♥+13♦ 我认为是♦的满贯兴趣,opp加倍3♦后同伴再叫4♦,我迷糊了,就叫了个4♥等待。丢了个大满贯。 你认为是♦的满贯兴趣,没错,是的。你若不迷糊,那我就迷糊,莫不是在打双明手?http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif9ayy,一眼望去,你的搭档从来就没在我身边呆过,他不是一个地道的二盖一牌手。因为斯台曼后的满贯序列叫牌法,他根本就不知道。所以我当然会猜到你将很难和他沟通。2♥后,最起码应叫人该再叫3♠,作隐匿性splinter吧,这是最起码的满贯序列的起步吧。这对我们而言是常识。所以问题是同伴心里无数,手里乏术,2♥以后出现了描述性错误,你只能无可奈何。 9ayy,欢迎你常回来看看,进步永远属于自己的。桥牌很难很难。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2200 Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 1.如果,100%,没有约定过(即临时搭档“没有说过),那么标准处理就是最简单的惩罚。你pass当然天经地义。但很多人会在这里迷糊出问题,最后变成瞎撞一个答案,可能是技术,可能是惩罚,撞中了就不会跑这儿问问题了吧? 2.有意思的是,这牌即使没有2H争叫,应叫者也不好叫,因为它属于“5张高花套邀请”,标准体系中没这设置!先转换到2S,然后再自然出套3D,是逼局,应者力度不够。应叫者可以折衷一下,叫个不逼的2S,希望以后还有机会再次介入(比如左手抬了3H转圈到自己),但代价是很可能全pass,然后6D摊打,这副牌恰好如此。但所有人都会面临同样的问题,即使没2H争叫,这个6D几乎也肯定叫不出来。 3.应叫者缺乏对标准叫法“第二口以后”的了解,换句话说,只知道叫第一嘴,之后就抓瞎了。1NT-2C-2H之后,现在应叫者再叫3D=否认红心配合,承诺刚才的2C带4张黑桃,且此刻出5张套方块,逼局;(出3C类似,只是低花套变成梅花)3H=红心配合,邀请4H;3S=红心配合,逼局,不满足于单纯的直拉4H。注意,这里3S绝对无关黑桃(尽管这里黑桃很强),也绝对不是Splinter!就是个100%的人工叫品。同理,1NT-2C-2S之后,应叫者再叫3H=黑桃配合,逼局,不满足于单纯4S。总之,用“另高花”表示逼局、进贯的配。 7H不是那么好叫,因为完全可能有个方块输张无法处理,比如xxxKQxxAxxAQx黑桃不是3-3,红心不是2-2,方块走不掉。这里是否有7H取决于开叫者是否有黑桃J,没有人叫得出来。有黑桃J会好很多,因为高花加方块就已经11个快墩,那随便来个反明之类,吃到3副梅花就够了 我个人,会在2H后,直接5C,RKC 缺门Gerber,在得到“2个有”回答后,再叫6D问第3控(RKC后出边花,如果不是明显想打,即问该花第3控,同时有7的兴趣,这是RKC后续细节),有了就上,至于有没有SJ,我没有办法。 总之,我手头的工具就这么些,如果正好用上能叫到7那是工具有用,但也保不齐,lose了就lose了,你该坚信“如果我叫不出来那别人也叫不出来,叫出来也是蒙的”。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shisun Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 [hv=pc=n&s=sj75h84dqt9874cj3&w=s84hkq32da3caq985&n=st932ht9djckt7642&e=sakq6haj765dk652c&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=p1np2cp2hp3ddpp4dp4hp6hppp]399|300[/hv]结果6♥+13♦ 我认为是♦的满贯兴趣,opp加倍3♦后同伴再叫4♦,我迷糊了,就叫了个4♥等待。丢了个大满贯。 我认为重叫牌上看:3D 是什么?1、一种是逼局实力、5+d、4张s,2、如果是配合h后5+d套 的无单缺满贯,后续会显示h配合。如果有单缺是用3s发动,如果是单套的是用低花序列的。 3d 被加倍,说明opp d实力,开叫方pass 说明无控制。应叫方(可以先叫3h显示配合)再叫4d 是显示有dk ,但是庄位处于不利,想再次确认d ,你叫4h,应叫人认为d 会马上失去两墩。故可以pass 你的 4h 。为什么会上6h?对3d 加倍的pass 表示有控制吗? 开叫方应该在3d后加倍进行反加倍表示对d 的控制。 这样你叫4h ,应叫人就不会pass了。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?sn=radiators&s=SA963HKQ2D864CQ86&wn=sillafu&w=SKHJT98543DAQT52C&nn=woozle&n=SQJT7HA76DK97CAK5&en=rolandro&e=S8542HDJ3CJT97432&d=s&v=n&b=15&a=P4HDP4SPPP&p=H3H6S2H2C9C6SKC5HTHAS4HQD3D4DAD7H5H7S5HKC2C8D2CK&c=7]400|300[/hv]结果:4♠S-3 300 [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?sn=JEC&s=SA963HKQ2D864CQ86&wn=tida&w=SKHJT98543DAQT52C&nn=smispi&n=SQJT7HA76DK97CAK5&en=danniella&e=S8542HDJ3CJT97432&d=s&v=n&b=15&a=P4HDPPP&p=CAC2C6H3HTH6S2HQC8H4C5C3DAD7D3D4D2DKDJD6S7S4SASKCQH8CKC4H9HAC7H2SQS5S3H5DQD9S8D8DTH7C9S6SJCTS9HJD5STCJHK]400|300[/hv] 结果:4♥WX-3 500 13imps。就是说,有时候合作性惩罚性加倍的转换还要凭借必要的判断。所有的规则都有例外,就看你如何读牌和判断,更与运气相关! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 第3副 [hv=pc=n&w=s84hkq32da3caq985&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=p1np2cp2hp3ddpp4dp4hp6hppp]133|200[/hv] 9ayy,这是我今天和机器人打的雷同牌面,机器人没有排除性问叫约定叫,你凑合着参考吧。另外2200的回贴值得反复慢慢阅读学习。 [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?sn=lycier&s=SAK5HKJ95DKQJ952C&wn=机器人&w=S7632H74D84CQJ852&nn=机器人&n=ST94HAT82DAT7CAK7&en=机器人&e=SQJ8HQ63D63CT9643&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=P1N(notrump%20opener.%20Could%20have%205M.%20--%202-5%20%21C%3B%202-5%20%21D%3B%202-5%20%21H%3B%202-5%20%21S%3B%2015-17%20HCP%3B%2018-%20total%20points)P2C(Stayman%20--)P2H(2-5%20%21C%3B%202-5%20%21D%3B%204-5%20%21H%3B%202-4%20%21S%3B%2015-17%20HCP%3B%2018-%20total%20points)P3S(forcing%20H%20raise%20--%202+%20%21C%3B%202+%20%21D%3B%204+%20%21H%3B)P4C(Cue%20bid%20--%202-5%20%21C%3B%202-5%20%21D%3B%204-5%20%21H%3B%202-4%20%21S%3B%2015-17%20HCP%3B%20%21CA%3B%2018-%20total%20points)P4S(Cue%20bid%20--%202+%20%21C%3B%202+%20%21D%3B%204+%20%21H%3B%20no%20%21DA%3B)P5C(Cue%20bid%20--%202-5%20%21C%3B%202-5%20%21D%3B%204-5%20%21H%3B%202-4%20%21S%3B%2015-17%20HCP%3B%20%21CAK%3B%2018-%20total%20points%3B%20forcing)P6H(2+%20%21C%3B%202+%20%21D%3B%204+%20%21H%3B%20no%20%21DA%3B%20%21SA%3B%2017+%20to)PPP&p=CTD2C2CAH2H3HKH7H5H4H8HQH6H9S7HTS4S8SAS6D5D8DTD3STSJSKS2HJD4HAC6CKC3S5C5DAD6DJC8D7C4DKS3DQCJS9C9D9CQC7SQ]400|300[/hv] 你就看看斯台曼后的一个最常用的满贯序列的方法。另外2200的5♣排除性问叫的后续很有功底,5♣我早就考虑过了,错误以为是个死葫芦呢。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2200 Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 9ayy,这是我今天和机器人打的雷同牌面,机器人没有排除性问叫约定叫,你凑合着参考吧。另外2200的回贴值得反复慢慢阅读学习。 [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?sn=lycier&s=SAK5HKJ95DKQJ952C&wn=机器人&w=S7632H74D84CQJ852&nn=机器人&n=ST94HAT82DAT7CAK7&en=机器人&e=SQJ8HQ63D63CT9643&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=P1N(notrump%20opener.%20Could%20have%205M.%20--%202-5%20%21C%3B%202-5%20%21D%3B%202-5%20%21H%3B%202-5%20%21S%3B%2015-17%20HCP%3B%2018-%20total%20points)P2C(Stayman%20--)P2H(2-5%20%21C%3B%202-5%20%21D%3B%204-5%20%21H%3B%202-4%20%21S%3B%2015-17%20HCP%3B%2018-%20total%20points)P3S(forcing%20H%20raise%20--%202+%20%21C%3B%202+%20%21D%3B%204+%20%21H%3B)P4C(Cue%20bid%20--%202-5%20%21C%3B%202-5%20%21D%3B%204-5%20%21H%3B%202-4%20%21S%3B%2015-17%20HCP%3B%20%21CA%3B%2018-%20total%20points)P4S(Cue%20bid%20--%202+%20%21C%3B%202+%20%21D%3B%204+%20%21H%3B%20no%20%21DA%3B)P5C(Cue%20bid%20--%202-5%20%21C%3B%202-5%20%21D%3B%204-5%20%21H%3B%202-4%20%21S%3B%2015-17%20HCP%3B%20%21CAK%3B%2018-%20total%20points%3B%20forcing)P6H(2+%20%21C%3B%202+%20%21D%3B%204+%20%21H%3B%20no%20%21DA%3B%20%21SA%3B%2017+%20to)PPP&p=CTD2C2CAH2H3HKH7H5H4H8HQH6H9S7HTS4S8SAS6D5D8DTD3STSJSKS2HJD4HAC6CKC3S5C5DAD6DJC8D7C4DKS3DQCJS9C9D9CQC7SQ]400|300[/hv] 你就看看斯台曼后的一个最常用的满贯序列的方法。另外2200的5♣排除性问叫的后续很有功底,5♣我早就考虑过了,错误以为是个死葫芦呢。下面这一手,同样很有指导意义——在点力足够雄厚时,不必拘泥于4-4配。这牌如果北没有♥10,却多给你任意一张黑Q,一样是再正常不过的大无将开叫吧?但这个4-4红心配很弱,给你一个4-1分布,你可怜兮兮呆在6H上哭都来不及,而简单拔萝卜就拔出13个来。哪里出问题了?这手属于“坐六望七”,旁门太强,如果对面缺♥Q,就是6NT简单凑大牌点也足够了,没必要一门心思圈在4-4高花配上。7H当然还是值得探索的,因为如果有♥Q,且黑桃控得住,那么确实有7H而没有其他7。但同样有可能,对面在你缺门花色上有硬墩,虽然没帮助可好歹是杠杠的两个硬墩呵,那也许即使没有♥Q,7D、7NT同样摊打。当然这副6是闭着眼睛叫,7确实不好叫,因为很难同时兼顾查红心4-4是否缺Q、无♥Q则是否有多余硬墩、梅花有无A这几项,但无论如何我会至少逼到6NT,有♥Q当然好,没的话也会顺路一下对7的微弱兴趣,反正6NT肯定稳如狗。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xmbfxl Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 显然7D是最佳定约 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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