Another fine mess

[Cyberyeti]

This happened to me this evening, and I have no idea what I was supposed to do:

 

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Do you bid and if so what ?

 

Your methods are somewhat hazy, but you can assume that 4♣ is some sort of major suit ask and 4♦ a transfer.

 

 

If you decide to bid 4♣ partner will respond 4♦ what now ?

 

[mgoetze]

Partner will rarely have enough to make slam on pure power, and with this aceless collection I don't see us making slam any other way. Meanwhile we should have enough strength that 3NT will be good even when we have a major suit fit - we're certainly not worried about clubs running if partner is at all sane. It seems all factors are in favor of pass.

[wank]

Yes it's an obvious pass

[Cyberyeti]

Yes it's an obvious pass

 

Both teams and pairs ?

[Finch]

Both teams and pairs ?

 

Yes

 

To quote Jallerton 'that's a tough one' (said in a somewhat sarcastic tone of voice)

[gordontd]

The only time I ever saw the late Tony Priday express annoyance with his partner was when she pulled his 3NT on this auction.

[lamford]

I cannot imagine bidding here, and cannot imagine finding it interesting, unless perhaps I was waiting in a dentist surgery with an IPad.

[Cyberyeti]

I felt there was no issue with bidding, I could always sign off in 4N and we'd have the power to make it, but there was plenty of room for partner to have enough to make 6M (Ax, KQxx, KQxx, Axx is no great hand but plenty).

 

So I bid 4♣.

 

Partner bid 4♦ and I bid what I felt was a semi invitational 4N to cover him having a fair few extras (which would have made with an overtrick, and I expected partner to pass with the 3253 18 he had), he took it as Blackwood and the wheels fell off.

[Jinksy]

I felt there was no issue with bidding, I could always sign off in 4N and we'd have the power to make it, but there was plenty of room for partner to have enough to make 6M (Ax, KQxx, KQxx, Axx is no great hand but plenty).

 

Despite having mixed in a second pack you've only got two aces between you (and I only count 11 tricks if you convert the K♦ to the ace), so I'd say you're a little short.

[Cyberyeti]

Despite having mixed in a second pack you've only got two aces between you (and I only count 11 tricks if you convert the K♦ to the ace), so I'd say you're a little short.

 

Sorry yes should be AQxx, but 6♥ is just cold opposite that, one spade on A♣ and one ruffed then my hand is high.

 

The only time I ever saw the late Tony Priday express annoyance with his partner was when she pulled his 3NT on this auction.

 

Yes this is not an auction you rush to bid on, but this is usually for fear of partner having a long solid suit and a club stop, but this is almost impossible here given what you hold. Thus I thought his hand was most probably balanced or semi balanced.

 

So I ask another question:

 

If partner has a balanced hand, what range would you put on it, how big is too big to just bid 3N ?

[gszes]

Enough stuff here to consider slam. I would begin with 4c and after 4d continue with 4h. P will surely realize we have only 5 (no transfer pls do not let me hear we would do this with 46 and no space to clarify) AND enough stuff to make 4n safe. Listen to what p does next and take it from there.