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I have a lot of sympathy. Bidding could go for a number and even a small one would be a likely loss from Wests point of view. They are very unlikely to make this and he is facing a passed hand partner.

 

4 does not appeal and double rates to get 5 of a minor although my partner will pass unless they have a live expectation of going plus on offence.

 

East can reopen with a double and hope it doesn't get rewound but it's out there. I blame east for not having 2 more hearts and 2 fewer spades.

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I have sympathy with both. I have sympathy for East complaining that his partner didn't make a takeout double with three aces and playability in every suit. I also have sympathy for West complaining that his partner didn't make a passed hand takeout double with the perfect shape to do so.
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east 100% the logic is somewhat circular but undeniable.

N and E are both passed hands so their "average" amount of hcp is generally around 6. S has bid 4h so their hcp power is generally around 8 but opposite a passed hand the range is much wider but still wont often be more than 10. So W 14 + S "10" = 24 leaving around 8 each for N and E. A lot depends on E heart holding for game to have a serious shot and even better

E (in po seat) will be able to do a similar calculation and realize we actually rate to be very close to 14 as a minimum and w/o too much in hearts given the 4h bid. I would x 4h as E in the po seat and be completely unsurprised when 4s makes easily. The doubleton heart just makes a x by W over 4h too risky especially opposite a passed hand.

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Just because East is a passed hand does not change the fact that reopening with a double is totally insane at these colours. The 4 opening could be very heavy and we have no defensive tricks if partner does not feel like going for 1100.

 

West should double - cooperative for me, but guaranteeing a suitable dummy should partner want to bid 4.

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I guess it was just bad luck as most people seem to think double is normal.

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I bid 4NT and partner said he was going ot lead A and expected me to pass with this. I said that if I would pass hishand without a seocnd thought and if I had a hand were 4 had good play I would probably reopen 4 with a double.

 

I had to eat my own words because on the next day I had to face same bidding twice and I passed both with AK9x xx Qx 10xxxx and some 3244 10 count

 

Regarding my decission I run a poll on BW: http://bridgewinners...27-3/?cj=291440

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I guess it was just bad luck as most people seem to think double is normal.

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I bid 4NT and partner said he was going ot lead A and expected me to pass with this. I said that if I would pass hishand without a seocnd thought and if I had a hand were 4 had good play I would probably reopen 4 with a double.

 

I had to eat my own words because on the next day I had to face same bidding twice and I passed both with AK9x xx Qx 10xxxx and some 3244 10 count

 

Regarding my decission I run a poll on BW: http://bridgewinners...27-3/?cj=291440

 

I don't understand the poll - you don't say how you play a double of 4. A lot of very top pairs do not play it as pure take out, (particularly in Europe).

 

But even if it's pure take-out I would probably still pass it with two jacks and potentially good defence.

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