olegru Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 All vul.Indi ♠ AQ105♥ J85432♦ 102♣ 7 What would you bid after two passes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 I vote pass. I know it's great to open light in 3rd seat, but I don't really want a heart lead and a spade opening (playing 5 card majors) might lead to partner bouncing us to high in the auction. I'm happy if they bid to a major suit game and if they go into 3NT, partner is likely to lead a major anyway. Why stick my neck on the chopping block? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Pass, I play that as non-forcing :rolleyes: Holding the majors, there is a good chance that I can come in later, unless the opps are sky high before my next turn. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Pass Not a good suit for 2♥ and I have 4♠ so I should probably come in the bidding later :rolleyes: Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Depending on tactical considerations, I might try 1♠ or pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 ill crank it for 2H. Not reccomended though :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 ill crank it for 2H. If it shows 4-4 in the majors, sure! If its Flannery, you might be overstating the heart suit already. If it's....no certainly can't be! :P :P (I confess I might bid it, too) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Pass... what is the problem? If you feel like you have to open 2H/3H/1S on this hand to create action, maybe you should spend some time learning how to play the cards better. A 2H/1S/3H opening bid here is surely likely to create a swing, but one you can no longer control due to you superior card play, nor due to application of skilled bidding inference to side rather or not to compete later. Rather, you will win (or lose) based upon the joker you threw into the auction with the bid. Now if it is late in a team game and you are behind, ok, you need a swing. A flattish hand will not help, by all means, try to create one. Or if this is last hand of a matchpoint thing and you need one more board to win or place very high? At least you have a reasonable expectation of creating a swing with some unusual activity here. But as for run of the mill bridge? Just do the normal thing here. I don't mind opening 2H with 6H and 4S, especially in third chair. IF the major honors were reversed (AQ of hearts, Jack of spades), ok 2h would be fine. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 I'd open 1♥ here. I'm concerned that opponents may be about to pass this hand out, and despite my lack of points it's probably our hand (fit in the majors) if this is the case. If we end up defending notrump, I really do want a heart lead -- even though my suit is poor it's an eventual source of tricks with the spades as entries. I definitely don't want partner to lead the unbid minor. The opening bid also sometimes misleads opponents about the location of values (especially the heart values) and might cause them to mis-evaluate their hands. Of course, I'd never consider bidding on this hand in first or second chair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 I open 2♦ to show both majors, would open 2♥ otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Playing in an individual, I'd pass. Too many ways to go wrong opening (suggesting the wrong lead, placing cards for declarer, missing a fit...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olegru Posted March 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Actually this hand has some sad story. Probably for another discussion - that one (http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?showtopic=6806).It was one of the last boards and I was really need a good score to win a tournament. I openned 1♥. Not everyones choice, but, as we can see from this poll, I am not just one who chose it. If Partner has ♥ support my hand much better than it looks now, if he has good spades - too. If Partner doesn't have majors, he, probably, will not jump too high.Bidding follows:dbl - 1NT - 4♠ - pass - pass - dbl.Third best contract (my Partner had Kx spades), unlucky distribution, very average declarer play - down 3. 800. Top? - Not!Ave- assigned by director, who explained me, I must pass with 7 points or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 I'd open 1♥ here. I'm concerned that opponents may be about to pass this hand out I don't think you should be seriously worried about that. You have a 7 count, and 2 players already passed. Well, the remaining hcp could be divided 11, 11, 11, but that is not even good enough. LHO must also be balanced if he is to pass. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 1H Hope this has most preempt effect. P will not have 11 or shapely 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Ave- assigned by director, who explained me, I must pass with 7 points or less. Unless it was clearly stated on the table note, we have another example of an incompetent TD. "I must pass with 7 points or less". This is not even a psyche. A light opening perhaps, but a psyche? Far from it! Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Actually this hand has some sad story. Probably for another discussion - that one (http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?showtopic=6806).It was one of the last boards and I was really need a good score to win a tournament. I openned 1♥. Not everyones choice, but, as we can see from this poll, I am not just one who chose it. If Partner has ♥ support my hand much better than it looks now, if he has good spades - too. If Partner doesn't have majors, he, probably, will not jump too high.Bidding follows:dbl - 1NT - 4♠ - pass - pass - dbl.Third best contract (my Partner had Kx spades), unlucky distribution, very average declarer play - down 3. 800. Top? - Not!Ave- assigned by director, who explained me, I must pass with 7 points or less. This is a ridiculous decision! Your opponents were somehow damaged because you had a weaker hand than you promised. If you had had a few more points and they had gone a further one down it would have been OK I suppose! Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 isn't there an acbl rule that says you have to have 8+ hcp to open 1 of a suit? maybe i'm thinking of something else... anyway, i'd pass this had Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Imo it's a very clear pass! If it was with the minors, I might open 1NT from time to time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 isn't there an acbl rule that says you have to have 8+ hcp to open 1 of a suit? maybe i'm thinking of something else... anyway, i'd pass this had The WBF definition of a HUM includes the agreement that an opening of one in a suit may be based on "A king less than average strength". Points schmoints, this is an acceptable opening. Of course, when playing with a pick-up partner it can't be a problem anyway. But this is probably all irrelevant since the tournament rules rarely prohibit HUMs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 well i'd still pass, but mainly i'm wondering (in acbl land) what the director would say if i did open it and she was called Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 It is common sense that 3rd seat openings can be rather light (for various reasons), so applying laws forbidding opening on less than x hcp in 3rd seat is against common sense and therefore against bridge itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 I love wild bids in 3rd chair, but this isn't the hand for it. --->You arent preempting their spades; you hold them. --->You sure as heck don't want a heart lead. --->This hand will be easier to bid after they open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 --->You sure as heck don't want a heart lead. DOH! That's why you open 1S :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Ave- assigned by director, who explained me, I must pass with 7 points or less. It is likely that it was a BBOITALY tourney then. In the BBOITALY tourneys they apply the rule enforced in Italy, where you cannot open at the 1-level with <8 hcp, not even as a psyche. DISCLAIMER: I do not agree with this rule, just quoting so that you know where you will (or won't) be playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatrix45 Posted April 6, 2005 Report Share Posted April 6, 2005 :) Playing opposite myself, I would bid 2H because it should be (almost) safe even vul because of my 6-4 distribution and the trick taking potential in the spade suit. What to bid here is a matter of one's philosophy concerning weak 2 bids - are they essentially disciplined and constructive or preemptive and disruptive (my preference). Best case is that pard can make a LAW raise with three or four hearts, and one of the opponents will intervene by bidding his/her partner's non-existent spade length. If partner might suspect that I could have a 5 bagger for my vul two bid, then bidding 2H is less attractive since a disruptive heart raise is less likely. This hand is a poster child for the 'preemptive and disruptive' school of weak two bids. Trixie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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