Diamond control?

[nige1]

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IMPs Acol.[/hv]

[paulg]

6♦ seems right, showing the first-round diamond control and lack of first round control in a black suit.

[mike777]

6d I could hardly have a worse hand...indeed I have a worse hand.

[nige1]

Duplicate post, Sorry

[nige1]

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IMPs Acol.

 

I think I should have bid 6♥ :)

although I passed and apologized :(

I'm in awe of those who bid 6♦ or made other tries. :)[/hv]

[Siegmund]

Don't be in quite so much awe. For some of us, bidding 5M asks a very specific question -- here, "do you have 1st or 2nd round diamond control?" -- and if partner does it, we are just as obligated to answer the question as if partner had bid Blackwood.

 

The way I learned the convention, you pass with two fast losers in their suit, cuebid their suit with 1st round control, bid 6 of your own suit with 2nd round control (typically a singleton), or 5NT with specifically Kx(x), a finessable holding that is only a 2nd round control if the contract is played from your side.

[wank]

yes you committed a pretty significant partnership faux pas. he said bid slam if you have 2nd round control or bid something descriptive with first round control. you ignored that and overruled him. if you're going to backtrack after opening bags of crap, don't open them.

[nullve]

I think it's best to use some form of Lackwood here, e.g. the (original, Rodwell?) version described by Gitelman (https://bbi.bridgebase.com/articles/fg/2over12.html) or maybe

 

P = no D control

5♠ = D control & min

...5N = PKC (Parity Key Card (Blackwood))

......6♣ = even # of KC

.........6♦ = trump Q ask

......6♦ = odd # of KC, no trump Q

......6♥ = odd # of KC and the trump Q

5N-6♥ = D control & extras, normal RKC step responses

[fromageGB]

It's a difficult call without agreements. For example, is there another forcing call below game that shows heart support, such as X or 4♦? Bidding that first then 5♦ or 5♥, as well as this sequence, now affords 3 or 5 different asks. Then it would be obvious what the correct call was. In the absence of discussion, I would assume it is asking for diamond control, and 6♦ seems the answer.

[rmnka447]

I agree with those who play 5 ♥ asks about a ♦ control. So you have to bid on with whatever is your agreements when you have the control. Partner has taken control of the auction, so your main responsibility is to answer partner's question. To fail to do so is a breach of partnership trust which should be strictly verboten.

 

If it turns out that 6 ♥ goes down because you've opened 1 ♥ too aggressively, that's a whole separate discussion. It's better having that discussion than trying to explain not getting to a cold small or grand slam when you have the asset partner is looking for.

[luckyloser]

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IMPs Acol.[/hv]

 

the 5h bid can have 3 meanings:

 

is your ♥suit better than you promised

do you have a ♦ control

is your hand better than you promiesd

 

if you can solve the stopper issue in a different way, then the bid asks for ♥quality

here however the bidding was too high. p (N) could not show his ♠ and ♣ controls and a ♥fit and also keep the bidding open. therefore you must show the ♦A by bidding 6♦ and a second round control by bidding 6 ♥. if you are shy because your hand is very weak, you may just bid 6♥

the third meaning is absurd on that level