I thought this was tricky

[eagles123]

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none vul imps i just thought this was quite an awkward hand

 

in spoilers what I did, crucify me if you like

 

 

 

 

I bid 3s, I felt the hand had way too much potential to just give up and was unprepared to bid 3d as if partner bid 3n I'm not happy

 

I feel possibly at vul I would just texas on this hand - is that pushing the "vul game bonus" too far?

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks

 

Eagles

[gwnn]

It is an awkward hand. Due to these hands some people play

 

1N-2C

2D/H-2S

 

As a 5-card invite. If partner rejects (2N), you can let them know the nature of your hand by rebidding 3D.

[gwnn]

If I don't play that, I think I just force to game. Or transfer and pass. Sorry, it's just awkward. Don't like pretending to have 6.

[apollo1201]

+1 for gwnn. It is so much safer when you have S's. Obviously on the Stayman if opener answers 2S, the 9-card fit plus singleton make you worth 4S.

[Fluffy]

I would show my diamonds, if partner rebids 3NT I Will insist in playing diamonds with 4♦. Since we are a passed hand I hope partner is not afraid of biddinf 4♠ over 4♦ with ♠Hx as we can't be on slam zone.

[kuhchung]

It is an awkward hand. Due to these hands some people play

 

1N-2C

2D/H-2S

 

As a 5-card invite. If partner rejects (2N), you can let them know the nature of your hand by rebidding 3D.

 

Don't want to derail, but will partner often bid 2N with a reject? I always just pass and play the 5-2 or whatever.

[gwnn]

Honestly, I'm not sure. I played this treatment for a while but it didn't come up enough times for me to gather personal experience. It is a nice extra for opener's pov that responder will bid 3m on 5-4 or 5-5 so maybe it's a good idea to reject with 2N at least some of the time. Yea I'm copping out.

[nige1]

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none vul imps i just thought this was quite an awkward hand

in spoilers what I did, crucify me if you like

 

I bid 3s, I felt the hand had way too much potential to just give up and was unprepared to bid 3d as if partner bid 3n I'm not happy

I feel possibly at vul I would just texas on this hand - is that pushing the "vul game bonus" too far?

 

[/hv]

I rank

1. 4♥ = Transfer. Fast approach migh escape a double.
2. 2♣ = Constructive Stayman. I like Gwnn's approach of raising ♠ otherwise bidding 2♠.
3. 2♥ = Transfer. Continuing with 3♠ (invitational).
4. 2♥ = Transfer. Intending to Pass unless partner super-accepts.
5. 2♥ = Transfer. Continuing with 3♦ and 4♦ over 3N (Like Fluffy)

[steve2005]

It is an awkward hand. Due to these hands some people play

 

1N-2C

2D/H-2S

 

As a 5-card invite. If partner rejects (2N), you can let them know the nature of your hand by rebidding 3D.

Yes this solves a common problem.

I think standard meaning would be 5S4H INV. Your probably playing in NT not a 4-3H. if no spade fit.

So unless knowing p has 4H is gonna propel you to game (unlikely) just a 5S invite is a better use.

 

 

[all loomis]

2c followed by 2s seems natural and effective. i train my partners to pass 2s with dbltn and min.

[WesleyC]

If you choose to force to game on this hand (which I agree with), not exploring for a diamonds along the way is surely a mistake.

 

If partner has 4 or 5 diamonds and a small doubleton spade then diamonds will almost always be the best strain. And if partner does have ♠Qx (or ♠JT), you should still be able to end up in 4♠.

 

The main feature of the hand that suggests diamonds might play well is the ♠AKxxx. If you made the hand have ♠KQT9x instead (and added another card outside) then i'd have more sympathy for choosing not to show diamonds.

[antonylee]

Don't want to derail, but will partner often bid 2N with a reject? I always just pass and play the 5-2 or whatever.

2C-then-2S promises a side suit for me (... could be hearts though) so I guess 2N could promise support for both minors, typically 2=3=4=4?

[helene_t]

Don't want to derail, but will partner often bid 2N with a reject? I always just pass and play the 5-2 or whatever.

Yeah, if you play transfer followed by 2NT as invitational with a 5-card suit then the Stayman route is weaker and opener must pass with a 17 count an no support.

 

But you can also play that the stayman route covers all invites so transfer followed by 2NT is some kind of fancy forcing bid.

[lorserker]

On this hand you could go down in 2S at worst. At best, slam is in the cards. Good luck finding the right bid!

When i dont know what to do i pass :)

But im not happy about it.

[nullve]

I play 2N as lebensohl over 1N-2M-1; 2M, showing precisely this type of hand (with either minor) if weak. (With a weaker hand, I'd just pass 2M, of course.)

[gwnn]

On this hand you could go down in 2S at worst. At best, slam is in the cards. Good luck finding the right bid!

When i dont know what to do i pass :)

But im not happy about it.

I prefer "when I don't know what to pass, I bid."

 

PS nice to see you again, p :)

[Jinksy]

Honestly, I'm not sure. I played this treatment for a while but it didn't come up enough times for me to gather personal experience. It is a nice extra for opener's pov that responder will bid 3m on 5-4 or 5-5 so maybe it's a good idea to reject with 2N at least some of the time. Yea I'm copping out.

 

I bid a few with myself playing a weak NT, and the impression I got is that opener should just pass when rejecting, since often 2N was off with 2S making even on a 5-2. That said, I wasn't paying much attention to the possibility of playing in a second suit.

[jodepp]

Al Roth proposed that 3♦ here after the transfer be invitational only. That solves the problem, but you need to work out how you wish to force as responder.

[dboxley]

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none vul imps i just thought this was quite an awkward hand

 

in spoilers what I did, crucify me if you like

 

 

 

 

I bid 3s, I felt the hand had way too much potential to just give up and was unprepared to bid 3d as if partner bid 3n I'm not happy

 

I feel possibly at vul I would just texas on this hand - is that pushing the "vul game bonus" too far?

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks

 

Eagles

 

If you play, as you should, that partner's 2S bid denies 4 spades then I would pass.

[kenrexford]

A nice continuation after 2C, then 2S. Opener bids 2NT as an asking bid (pass with no fit). Responder next:

 

3C with clubs. 3D then asks for stiff.

3D with diamonds, short clubs.

3S with diamonds, short hearts.

3H with 5S/4H.

 

How nice to make an invite showing 5S, short heart, and diamonds secondary eith this hand, eh?

[kenrexford]

This specific layout also is improved with a small trick. Works when hearts and diamonds also. Smolen new minor.

 

With this, Responder, after a transfer, bids the other minor if he is two suit. This allows the specific instance of major and diamonds to go through 3C and then stop at 3D.

[jogs]

Bergen recommended that opener rebid more than 2♠ with 4-card support.

 

Therefore his 2♠ rebid shows 2 or 3 spades. Using Bergen responses to Jacoby any further bid by you would be anti-percentage.

[kenrexford]

Bergen recommended that opener rebid more than 2♠ with 4-card support.

 

Therefore his 2♠ rebid shows 2 or 3 spades. Using Bergen responses to Jacoby any further bid by you would be anti-percentage.

I didn't realize that you need a 10 card fit for game in a major.

[straube]

Honestly, I'm not sure. I played this treatment for a while but it didn't come up enough times for me to gather personal experience. It is a nice extra for opener's pov that responder will bid 3m on 5-4 or 5-5 so maybe it's a good idea to reject with 2N at least some of the time. Yea I'm copping out.

 

2N should be maximum and doubleton. Meckwell and others play this. One of the advantages of 1N-2C, 2X-2S is being able to make lighter invites without getting too high. Opener's rebid of 2N caters to the possibility that responder was bidding constructively on the hope of a fit. After 2N, responder may "show" a constructive hand by passing or he may rebid 3m with a second 5-cd suit or 3S to show 6. With full invitational strength, responder would instead place the contract in 3N or 4S depending...

 

Some folks play 1N-2D, 2H-2S as GI hearts. They have similar continuations...

 

2N-no fit, minimum

3C-no fit, maximum, nf

.....3D-to play

3D-counter-try with fit

3H-minimum with fit

[lycier]

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none vul imps i just thought this was quite an awkward hand

 

in spoilers what I did, crucify me if you like

 

 

 

 

I bid 3s, I felt the hand had way too much potential to just give up and was unprepared to bid 3d as if partner bid 3n I'm not happy

 

I feel possibly at vul I would just texas on this hand - is that pushing the "vul game bonus" too far?

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks

 

Eagles

 

So far no one can grant you a real better solution.Obviously the common method can't solve this problem,so the discussion above made no any sense !

You should need a good gadget. Here I tell you a good convention,its name is " unbalanced 2♠" convention which come from Tallahassee Expert Standard Bridge System,its author is Robert S. Todd,a American expert.

It goes :

1NT - 2♣

2X - 2♠*

 

2♠ says : partner,I have invitational 5-card ♠ suit with unbalanced hand,let me play 2♠ should be better than your playing 2NT if you hold mini hand."

I believe that actually many of experts on bbf should have some good methods for sure, they are unwilling to say it, usually this still is fee collection course.2♠ also is a specific system bid.