david_c Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Just out of curiosity really - does anyone know of a playable two-way pass system? By which I mean, a pass in first seat shows either 0-7HCP or 17+ HCP (or something vaguely similar). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestguru Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Gerben42 Plays a version of 2 way pass. I gave it a try, but I was too lost to say wether it was playable or not. It was fun though btw, Thanks again Gerben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 "Enterprising" Tales has a description of the "Vulcan Variable Pass"As I called, one of the Swedish Carrotti variants also featured a variable pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Yes I play a working version of a 2 way pass system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Hi, a detailed description of my 2-way pass system can be found at: Tuebingen Pass Description I have found it very playable. If you would like to try it out please let me know. Bestguru: There have been some changes since you might have seen it. For those who just want a short description:Pass = 0 - 8 or 16+With 8 - 15 HCP, just bid like in a standard 5-card major system (1♣ can be 2 cards if balanced). Responses to pass:1♣ = Balanced 9 - 14 or any 16+1♦ = 0 - 8 any or up to 15 HCP with diamonds1M = 8 - 15, 4+card unbal. 1NT = 15 - 17 balanced2m = 8 - 15, 6+card Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 I studied the matter for some time and realized it created a few unwanted side effects, such as 3rd in hand openings of type "short or long". But the side effect was more created because I wanted to keep 2C and 2D as weak twos. Then I dropped the issue, but I think I could now make up a better structure, without the short/long openings. Though I'd probably have to drop the 2m weak openings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Well you are worse off than a strong club system if you have a strong pass and they bid and responder has to pass, but you gain in many other situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 There have been a number of English, Polish and New Zealand systems based on this concept. None have proved really playable in good competition as they have been far too susceptible to pre emption, even though some have been played in National and International competition. Better is to play a full version of strong pass eg WOR, Suspensor or if you want something a little quaint these days, Regres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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