cherdano Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 It's matchpoints, noone vulnerable. RHO dealt and opens 1♠. What do you do with ♠T32 ♥AK3 ♦ AK8 ♣KT52? Would you bid differently at other conditions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 I voted for 1nt, there can only be 10or 11 points out there so odds are if your p has them all you get into 3nt if not they play 2 or 3 spades, I think x is wrong because you cant bid a suit after it ( well 4!C is not ny idea of a good suit) and if you x then bif NT (I think, but I am not sure it guarentees a spade stopper) waiting to be shot down in flames, but an opinion is an opinion LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Clear double to me, I can't bid 1nt without ♠ stopper surely? jillybean2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 The is no ideal bid available, so you must choose 1 of the following 3. 1. 1NT. Shows the range and a spade stopper. The latter is a lie. If NT is where we belong, the contract is wrong-sided. 2. PASS and hope partner can reopen if LHO passes too. Partner will do his utmost to keep the auction alive with as little as 8 hcp. If he passes, it is not entirely impossible that defending is right. If LHO bids, it is often a wise move to stay out of this completely. 3. DOUBLE. Not the ideal shape, but compensating values. I would double and pass any suit partner bids at the 2-level. I will raise 1NT to 2NT. I believe that it's right to come in now, and double is the least of evils in my opinion. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 you have to dbl. cannot afford to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Double, the least bad bid. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 X doesnt even seem like an evil to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 I play Raptor 1NT overcalls, so 1NT here is not an option for me. Therefore I would double because I play Raptor. However, even if my 1NT was balanced 16-18 or 15-17, or 16-19, or similar ranges, I would still double. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 I double to, but its just 15+ - usually balanced. Great hand for it - we tell pard our values and it rightsides the NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 I bid 1NT. I don't give a damn about stoppers. Never have, never will. Who says we'll be playing NT anyway? Besides, if pard is so worried about the stopper, he can ask if I have one or not with a 2H "transfer": 1S 1NT pass 2Hpass ..? 2S = 1/2 stopper (Qx, Jxx, Txx, xxxx)2NT = full stopper, min3x = no stopper (xxx, xx)3S = 2 stoppers if you like3NT = full stopper max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 I bid 1NT. I don't give a damn about stoppers. Never have, never will. Who says we'll be playing NT anyway? Besides, if pard is so worried about the stopper, he can ask if I have one or not with a 2H "transfer": 1S 1NT pass 2Hpass ..? 2S = 1/2 stopper (Qx, Jxx, Txx, xxxx)2NT = full stopper, min3x = no stopper (xxx, xx)3S = 2 stoppers if you like3NT = full stopper max Realize almost all play transfers here but maybe we should not.Having strong hand on lead can often make the difference on a hand. So 1nt=2h could be to play and start all invite hands with 2clubs?This puts nt bidder back as declarer with 4 hearts and invite but otherwise we can play hand with lead up to us with weak and h or D or clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 i tend to agree with whereagles re: stoppers, but that really isn't the issue on this hand/bidding... if there is a stopper, supposing we play nt, partner has it... i want the lead coming to him rather than going thru him, so i'd double Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 XCan't bid 1NT because its raptor. However even playing a 15-17 NT ovecall, this is a X rather than a 1N overcall. I would consider bidding 1NT with Jxx, but not with this holding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Double ! Only 3♥ but good ones and the general strength compensates the poor shape. Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Double also, pass would be also a good option, but not today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Double. Even if you have 1NT available as balanced hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Double. No second choice, the bad shape is compensatedby the points.It seems, that People who will bid 1 NT, tend to play against opponents, who will not lead spade, because "they promised a stopper". And of course, they wont alert the 1 NT bid, because it's natural .... Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Dbl seems the best, and pass gets away with the second price imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Double. No second choice, the bad shape is compensatedby the points.It seems, that People who will bid 1 NT, tend to play against opponents, who will not lead spade, because "they promised a stopper". And of course, they wont alert the 1 NT bid, because it's natural .... MarloweSince when does one have to alert if their bid does not show a stopper? What if two suits are bid? Do I have to have a stopper in both or else my bid should be alerted? It might not be sound bridge, but I hardly believe it says anywhere in the laws that a NT bid must contain a stopper of a bid suit, lest it be alerted. I choose double by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 I can remember a hand very similar to these being posted on an expert panel. The hand was instead ♠10xx/AQ/KQJx/AJxx, wich is way different since there you will have a real unsolvable problem after partner answers 2♥.Still the consensous was to double (my 1NT scored less points than those bidding 2♦, only above 2NT, grrrr). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Double. No second choice, the bad shape is compensatedby the points.It seems, that People who will bid 1 NT, tend to play against opponents, who will not lead spade, because "they promised a stopper". And of course, they wont alert the 1 NT bid, because it's natural .... MarloweSince when does one have to alert if their bid does not show a stopper? What if two suits are bid? Do I have to have a stopper in both or else my bid should be alerted? It might not be sound bridge, but I hardly believe it says anywhere in the laws that a NT bid must contain a stopper of a bid suit, lest it be alerted. I choose double by the way.Simply put: A natural NT promises a stopper, at leastthis is the standard treatment and anything else wouldprobably be rated as "highly" ususual around the wholeworld, and your opponents need to be informed, if you play something, they cannot reasonable expect You have to be careful with statements like "around the whole world", but I think, in this case I am on fairly safe ground.I would always alert it, unless I am 100% sure, that the alerting rules actualy forbid this. Are you 100% sure they forbid these special alert? Would you doubt, that the natural1 NT overcall did not promise a stopper?If it does, but there is no one, then this is ok, because I would regards this as a bluff / psych bid, I have no problems with psych bid, but with fielding psych bids. The overcall is natural in the sense, that it describes a strong (?!) NT type hand, but natural and artificial has nothing to do with alert or non alert. And I am not talking about the follwing case, natural system, 1C - (1S) - 1 NT... were the 1 NT bid may or may not promise a stopper,but then the 1 NT bid is not natural, it just is a bid saying,I have ... HCP and no support. and also not about the case were one overcalls 1 NT with stopper and a balanced 12-14 count, a treatment, probablyno sane person would play. This both cases are a gray areas reagrading alerting. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Simply put: A natural NT promises a stopper, at leastthis is the standard treatment and anything else wouldprobably be rated as "highly" ususual around the wholeworld, and your opponents need to be informed, if you play something, they cannot reasonable expect. i disagree with this... the 1nt bid should show a certain range... if the opps asked me whether or not it shows a stopper i'd say "it does not have to".. i've never heard anyone say that such a method requires an alert, tho i may be wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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