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6430, is 4-4 fit enough?


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You are slightly hamstrung by system here, it's much easier if 2 is simple 4th suit and 3 a splinter, also if you knew partner was unbalanced. Clearly you don't want to agree spades too early, partner could easily have something like Kxxx, Kx, AQJxx, xx which plays better in diamonds or hearts. I guess 2 to start.
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4 splinter (could be followed by 5 exclusion)

 

Hijacking the topic for a moment, under what circumstances would your 5 rebid be exclusion after the splinter? Only on your subsequent bid/on any later bid (except an RKCB response)/other? I've not heard of non-jump exclusion before, but it sounds like a useful gadget.

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Partner could still be balanced, options now are basically 4 splinter (could be followed by 5 exclusion), 2 XYZ Game forcing relay or 3X natural GF slam try.

Am I the only seeing that Fluffy has posted the East hand?

 

Should that hand not be South?

 

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Partner could still be balanced, options now are basically 4 splinter (could be followed by 5 exclusion), 2 XYZ Game forcing relay or 3X natural GF slam try.

If partner holds KQ and K, these hands fit like a glove. Unfortunately bridge is an imperfect information game short of peeking there is no way of knowing the pertinent information.

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When you say Hx is Jx enough or is H AKQ ?

 

If I can be sure of Kx I bid 4.

 

Do I have any clue about partner's range yet ?

Partner has 12-14 balanced. 9x would be enough if he feels rest of his hand is very good in context for playing hearts, but normally Kx or Jx is to be expected. Partner will keep cuebidding, 4 for you.

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Would you mind elaborating a bit why you think XYZ is terrible for GF hands?

Which alternatives are better?

 

Rainer Herrmanno

 

In this sequence it probably doesn't matter, but being able to bid 2 over 2 4SF rather than having to bid over 2 could make a lot of difference in terms of space.

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In this sequence it probably doesn't matter, but being able to bid 2 over 2 4SF rather than having to bid over 2 could make a lot of difference in terms of space.

I understand that. This is not too difficult to grasp.

But what do you suggest instead?

 

1) If 2 is game forcing the question arises what do you do with invitational hands?

It is nice being able to stop in 2 with 4 card support and an invitational hand or in 2 with hearts and an invitational hand.

 

2) If 2 is not game forcing, there must be non forcing sequences thereafter.

Does this not defeat the advantage of being one step lower with a game forcing hand?

For example: How do I distinguish a game forcing hand with hearts from one with invitational values thereafter, if the bidding starts 1?-1-1-2-2?

If I have to jump to 3 with a game force where is the advantage?

 

Rainer Herrmann

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I understand that. This is not too difficult to grasp.

But what do you suggest instead?

 

1) If 2 is game forcing the question arises what do you do with invitational hands?

It is nice being able to stop in 2 with 4 card support and an invitational hand or in 2 with hearts and an invitational hand.

 

2) If 2 is not game forcing, there must be non forcing sequences thereafter.

Does this not defeat the advantage of being one step lower with a game forcing hand?

For example: How do I distinguish a game forcing hand with hearts from one with invitational values thereafter, if the bidding starts 1?-1-1-2-2?

If I have to jump to 3 with a game force where is the advantage?

 

Rainer Herrmann

 

We play it non GF but we play 1-1-1-2 as inv so going thru 4SF is forcing.

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2 is the best bid. We want to know if partner has wasted values in clubs.

 

3 or 2NT by opener means there are wasted club values. We should just show the spade support and allow opener to make moves towards slam.

Other rebids by opener means all HCP are working.

 

KQxx Kx QJxx xxx

 

Isn't this a nearly 50% chance for slam? And opener rates to hold a better hand.

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Sorry,I'm not expert.

It should say that XYZ convention still is a expert bidding tool.

For this hand,it would better employ XYZ and bid 2 to make a system bid of game forcing,its advantange is obviously :

1- GF and save room,let opener describe in further.

2- investigate whether opener has 3-card support in .

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1 - 1

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1 says " I have a unbalanced hand",so responder should conform whether voidness is valid and also need to reevaluate both of hands so as to probe for slam or sign off at 4M.

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2 is the best bid. We want to know if partner has wasted values in clubs.

 

3 or 2NT by opener means there are wasted club values. We should just show the spade support and allow opener to make moves towards slam.

Other rebids by opener means all HCP are working.

 

KQxx Kx QJxx xxx

 

Isn't this a nearly 50% chance for slam? And opener rates to hold a better hand.

Sorry,I'm not expert.

If really holding KQxx Kx QJxx xxx,after responding 1,opener would better rebid 1nt to show the balanced hand instead of 1.

 

 

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